Why Does Jimmyk Think She Has To Have "proposals" For Brexit.

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38366278
Last time I looked Scotland was part of the UK so what does she think she's going to "negotiate"?

[Khandro]

Do you have to be Scottish to find any of these characters even remotely funny?

[Zacs-Master]

Tora 15:02 - Yes I have explained why it's relevant. Many times. And in my last post where I mentioned the constitutional impact of Brexit, which is what the Judges case for putting it to a vote was mostly about.

Very basic stuff really.

[Old_Geezer]

Any deep integration need not be an issue unless folk choose to make it so. There is no reason why, on exiting, existing mutually beneficial agreements could not be maintained until negotiations after the event come up with a arrangement more acceptable to both parties. The point of exiting is to regain control, and not fund an organisation that wishes to impose on national governments. Nothing need prevent that were the will there for all concerned, and folk didn't have other agendas.

[Zacs-Master]

You're talking about stage 2 there OG. We haven't even reached square one of stage one yet - invoking article 50.

[Old_Geezer]

The basic constitutional position seems to be that parliament should decide, but many feel parliament had already done that when they agreed to the referendum knowing that regardless how legally binding the result was, the intent was to accept and act on it. It is only those who wish to thwart the democratic decision of the nation who look for potential ways to create obstacles.

[Old_Geezer]

That is only because the government wants to work out what they will insist on and what can be compromised on before the activity starts in seriousness. It'll occur, but in the meanwhile anything that can possibly thwart it is being put forward.

[Zacs-Master]

You might like to read this OG re your Parliamentary assumption:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/28/parliament-eu-referendum-vote-new-government

[Kromovaracun]

New Judge

Ok, fair cop. I admit it - I hadn't actually bothered to read previous answers before I asked.

Thanks for clarifying!

[Zacs-Master]

OG, (and TTT.....and anyone else proclaiming that A50 isn't being invoked because of people wanting to thwart the democratic process), The Judge's ruled that invoking article 50 would change Domestic Law (see attached - item 8.) and that this was fundamental against our constitutional principles of the sovereignty of Parliament (see attached - Item 10.)

In other words, it would be UNDEMOCRATIC to begin the process. The very thing your saying it isn't.

[Zacs-Master]

Sorry, forgot the link
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/summary-r-miller-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-eu-20161103.pdf

[hereIam]

The woman is pathetic, thinks she can change the vote. Can't stand her.

[Old_Geezer]

It is their interpretation. Others are permitted to hold a different view such as the decision has already been oked prior and not need to be so again. Since parliament have already oked the referendum and the people have already given the decision it can not be undemocratic to proceed but it would be to hold up the proceedings. But this point has been made umpteen times.