Van Gogh

[mikey4444]

Is is Van GOCK or Van Go, as the Americans insist on ?

For instance, what do Dutch people call him ?

I have always used the former.

[NoMercy]

Van goff

[emeritus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vincent_willem_van_gogh.ogg

[Zacs-Master]

Van khooch.

[emeritus]

Thats the Dutch Mikey

[Zacs-Master]

https://youtu.be/Ceo7E1R78yo Media URL: https://youtu.be/Ceo7E1R78yo
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[Stephen_G]

From QI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlwO0xvm3fw

[mikey4444]

Oh dear ! Not quite as simple as I thought !

But at least it isn't the silly Van Go !

[mikey4444]

Why can't Americans talk proper, like what I do !

[Zacs-Master]

It's a bit like asking how the English would pronounce Gainsborough.

A Georgie may say Gainsbro

A Londoner may say Gainsborah

[mikey4444]

Northerners may and will do what they want Zacs, but in your example its the latter for me.

But this is only a teasing question, in the hope that it might raise a general debate. By the way, my favourite singer-songwriter, Joni Mitchell, ever pronounced the artist as Van Go, and she was Canadian !

[bookbinder]

Van Goch rhymes with the Scottish 'loch'.

[THECORBYLOON]

The standard Dutch pronunciation of Gogh is close to HOCH to rhyme with LOCH but in his own local accent it may have been different. I normally say GOCH to rhyme with LOCH.

[douglas9401]

"Van Goch rhymes with the Scottish 'loch'."

That'll be van Gock then. :)

[jourdain2]

I agree with bookbinder and THECORBYLOON.

[Patsy33]

Van Goff.

[shoota]

I prefer vin rouge mesel, like....

[Peter Pedant]

// Van khooch.// ZM not bad ZM

Mikey mikey daaahling - other languages have sounds which are not represented in English

Think of a click in Ndebele (Togo I need help here ! ) six to choose from I think. OK it is late - so dont think of a click ( I cant tempt you with Xhosa ? can I ?) Tui ( pronounced Tree ) is tonal

think of bonny scotland and loch - let us represent that as /lox/

OK let us now think of pairs of letter sounded and unsounded
p and b
t and d
f and v
you will notice that the first of the pair is unsounded and the second is sounded

OK so the ch in loch is unsounded /Ch/ or /x/
and so now you have to make up the sounded counterpart / arrrrgh ! /
and that is the gee in Dutch - g as in gogh

sudduv spit and sound -- - - - yup a sound youve never heard or made

Van go =two of them - ignore the 'h'

that was Groningen dialect ( it is a place in Holland)
it may be different in the west ( = amsterdam)

not represented in Arabic I think
( altho it might be a ghayn but that is more a rolled parisian r - Qenawi dialect)

languages I love them especially late at night

Dear Dr Geerlingx in Groningen said to me " no one who is english can pronounce my name" and I said christ you are not joking

please please Mikey if you dont understand a word of this
please dont post - "wot dat den yeah" as an instant AB put-down quip....please as a favour to me

[mikey4444]

Peter...I would never do that !