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Salute The New Emporer Of Europe.
If any those voting to remain have any doubts as to if they made the right choice, does this speech help you decide unequivocally?
"In his state of the union speech, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker went off-script to say that he thinks Britain ‘will regret’ voting to leave the EU. And he said that he wants EU enlargement, the Schengen area opened to Romania and Bulgaria, a European ‘defence union’, a more powerful president, for member states to adopt the euro, and for public money to be given to pro-EU political parties while it is denied to ‘anti-European extremists’."
"In his state of the union speech, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker went off-script to say that he thinks Britain ‘will regret’ voting to leave the EU. And he said that he wants EU enlargement, the Schengen area opened to Romania and Bulgaria, a European ‘defence union’, a more powerful president, for member states to adopt the euro, and for public money to be given to pro-EU political parties while it is denied to ‘anti-European extremists’."
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Cassa and others. The idea was that after Brexit a UK citizen could choose to get a UK only passport or get what we have now, which is a UK passport but which in addition allows all the benefits of EU citizenship as well as full UK citizenship.
Going back to a UK only passport is a backward step. A joint UK/EU passport would allow a lot more freedom of travel and the ability to live and work in any EU country without needing any form of authorisation,arrangement, visa,form filling,or negotiation. That is what we have at the moment, but we stand to lose that after Brexit.
Cassa your brother has a UK, EU recognised passport NOT a UK only one. That is the only type of passport it is possible to get at the moment while we are still in the EU.
When we are out of the EU and he needs a new passport he will find that a new UK only passport is valid for a lot less places than the UK / EU recognised one he has now. Of course he will be able to apply for a arrangement /visa of some sort to travel in the EU , but it will be by arrangement or visa NOT BY RIGHT which is my entire point.
There are other advantages to haveing an EU recognised passport. One of them is that if you are in a country somewhere outside the EU and that country does not have a UK embassy but does have an embassy of another EU state. That state is compelled under EU law to offer you the same level of diplomatic protection / representation as it offers to its own citizens. For someone who travels extensively throughout the world that can be a very valuable advantage.
Going back to a UK only passport is a backward step. A joint UK/EU passport would allow a lot more freedom of travel and the ability to live and work in any EU country without needing any form of authorisation,arrangement, visa,form filling,or negotiation. That is what we have at the moment, but we stand to lose that after Brexit.
Cassa your brother has a UK, EU recognised passport NOT a UK only one. That is the only type of passport it is possible to get at the moment while we are still in the EU.
When we are out of the EU and he needs a new passport he will find that a new UK only passport is valid for a lot less places than the UK / EU recognised one he has now. Of course he will be able to apply for a arrangement /visa of some sort to travel in the EU , but it will be by arrangement or visa NOT BY RIGHT which is my entire point.
There are other advantages to haveing an EU recognised passport. One of them is that if you are in a country somewhere outside the EU and that country does not have a UK embassy but does have an embassy of another EU state. That state is compelled under EU law to offer you the same level of diplomatic protection / representation as it offers to its own citizens. For someone who travels extensively throughout the world that can be a very valuable advantage.
As I suggested Eddie, you should be given the opportunity to buy your own way into the EU passport/travel document.And that is all it would be if you are resident in the UK.
You wouldn't have duel rights in the UK. Why would you. If you want full access to the EU go somewhere that allows it.
You can trundle around the world to your hearts content in the knowledge you have a few more embassies to call upon.
Oh and my brother did most of his traveling for work before we had EU passports.
You wouldn't have duel rights in the UK. Why would you. If you want full access to the EU go somewhere that allows it.
You can trundle around the world to your hearts content in the knowledge you have a few more embassies to call upon.
Oh and my brother did most of his traveling for work before we had EU passports.
“The idea was that after Brexit a UK citizen could choose to get a UK only passport or get what we have now, which is a UK passport but which in addition allows all the benefits of EU citizenship as well as full UK citizenship.”
Where on earth did you get that idea from, Eddie. I’ve seen it bandied about as a “possible proposal” but not seen anything stronger than that. Why on earth should the EU allow such privileges (or what they are worth) that citizens of its member nations enjoy to those of a non-member nation?
“Cassa your brother has a UK, EU recognised passport NOT a UK only one. That is the only type of passport it is possible to get at the moment while we are still in the EU.”
The only difference between an old UK passport and an “EU” one is the words “European Union” on its cover. It is a UK passport, plain and simple. Outside the Europe it bestows no extra rights or privileges than any other passport. The EU does not (yet) issue passports.
“When we are out of the EU and he needs a new passport he will find that a new UK only passport is valid for a lot less places than the UK / EU recognised one he has now.”
Absolute piffle. Passports denote the nation of origin (in our case the UK). Nations examining them on entry outside Europe are not concerned whether the UK is an EU member or not.
“That state is compelled under EU law to offer you the same level of diplomatic protection / representation as it offers to its own citizens.”
No nations outside the EU (except members of EFTA or the EEA in some circumstances) are bound by EU law. T|here may be an informal agreement, but not law.
You are over-egging the pudding (to the degree of about a dozen free-range) Eddie. In practical terms for almost everybody in the UK, there will be no difference to the arrangements needed to travel anywhere. A (non-EU) UK passport will allow all the rights and privileges that the current one does. Nobody outside the EU is that much interested in the EU as far as passport matters go. They’ve more sense. And even if there were any substantial differences they will be well worth putting up with, bearing in mind the contents of Mr Junckers' speech yesterday.
Where on earth did you get that idea from, Eddie. I’ve seen it bandied about as a “possible proposal” but not seen anything stronger than that. Why on earth should the EU allow such privileges (or what they are worth) that citizens of its member nations enjoy to those of a non-member nation?
“Cassa your brother has a UK, EU recognised passport NOT a UK only one. That is the only type of passport it is possible to get at the moment while we are still in the EU.”
The only difference between an old UK passport and an “EU” one is the words “European Union” on its cover. It is a UK passport, plain and simple. Outside the Europe it bestows no extra rights or privileges than any other passport. The EU does not (yet) issue passports.
“When we are out of the EU and he needs a new passport he will find that a new UK only passport is valid for a lot less places than the UK / EU recognised one he has now.”
Absolute piffle. Passports denote the nation of origin (in our case the UK). Nations examining them on entry outside Europe are not concerned whether the UK is an EU member or not.
“That state is compelled under EU law to offer you the same level of diplomatic protection / representation as it offers to its own citizens.”
No nations outside the EU (except members of EFTA or the EEA in some circumstances) are bound by EU law. T|here may be an informal agreement, but not law.
You are over-egging the pudding (to the degree of about a dozen free-range) Eddie. In practical terms for almost everybody in the UK, there will be no difference to the arrangements needed to travel anywhere. A (non-EU) UK passport will allow all the rights and privileges that the current one does. Nobody outside the EU is that much interested in the EU as far as passport matters go. They’ve more sense. And even if there were any substantial differences they will be well worth putting up with, bearing in mind the contents of Mr Junckers' speech yesterday.
NJ, What you say is correct, in fact I have pondered if instead of issuing new passports, whether the words "European Union" (40mm x 3mm) could be punched out, or obliterated from the hard cover and again from the paper of page 1. Other than these 2 places the words European Union are not mentioned anywhere else.
The trouble is people like Eddie will cling to these ideas even when they are false and shown to be bunkum.
Has project fear entrapped another follower?
Admittedly I haven't been out of the country for a few years but I understood that because we are not in the 'free to roam' strechan (sic) area we still actually have to show passports?? As NJ says the UK passport is not an EU passport. But mine has lapsed so what do I know?
Has project fear entrapped another follower?
Admittedly I haven't been out of the country for a few years but I understood that because we are not in the 'free to roam' strechan (sic) area we still actually have to show passports?? As NJ says the UK passport is not an EU passport. But mine has lapsed so what do I know?
Third one who wants to know what countries will consider a UK only passport invalid. As someone else has said eddie I don't know when you last travelled but currently travelling even to EU you have to show your passport twice when travelling by air on leaving, again on arrival and twice on departure (at check-in and boarding gate). Once there you have to fill in a form with your details and passport number at all hotels and holiday accommodation. You write as though currently you breeze through anywhere in Europe showing and writing nothing.
"Can you imagine Greece wanting to leave and pay all that money back?"
Greece has absolutely no chance of paying its debts whether in the EU or not. Whilst in the EU they are subject to all the strictures that EU membership and using the euro forces on them. These are enforced by the EU to give the impression it has such matters under control.
If Greece left the EU (and in particular abandoned the single currency) it would simply abandon the euro and restore the Drachma, and formally default on its debts (which it has done informally anyway but is not allowed by Brussels to announce the fact). The Drachma would immediately plummet in value attracting an enormous influx of foreign currency to Greece. They could then revert to what they do best (or rather what they can only realistically do and what they always did prior to being lured into the EU on the basis of false accounting) - peasant farming, a bit of tourism and a smattering of shipping. Job done.
Greece has absolutely no chance of paying its debts whether in the EU or not. Whilst in the EU they are subject to all the strictures that EU membership and using the euro forces on them. These are enforced by the EU to give the impression it has such matters under control.
If Greece left the EU (and in particular abandoned the single currency) it would simply abandon the euro and restore the Drachma, and formally default on its debts (which it has done informally anyway but is not allowed by Brussels to announce the fact). The Drachma would immediately plummet in value attracting an enormous influx of foreign currency to Greece. They could then revert to what they do best (or rather what they can only realistically do and what they always did prior to being lured into the EU on the basis of false accounting) - peasant farming, a bit of tourism and a smattering of shipping. Job done.
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