Ashamed Of My Country

[Guilbert53]

For most of my life I loved living in England, I was proud to be English, and thought it one of the best countries in the world in which to live.

But gradually that love has been eroded. I see more and more that I don't like - stabbings, shootings, drug gangs, car thefts, sex trafficing, modern slavery, crime everywhere, and much much more.

Many of these things (slavery, house over crowding) we thought we had got rid of in the Victorian age but they are coming back.

And today I see this on the BBC news page. The Mobike "shared bike" scheme is pulling of Manchester because of continuous vandalism of their bikes.

Ok a small set of crimes in themselves but this company are pulling out of Manchester, the only city in the world where they have had to pull out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-45422065

Sadly we seem to be bringing up a collection of youngsters where anything on the street is "fair game" to be stolen, vandalized, thrown in a canal or whatever.

I said to my wife a few months ago that we are getting a sort of street anarchy among some sections of the community, where they will do anything to "get their own way", even if it means shooting or stabbing someone.

I saw a program the other day where two young punks dragged a woman out her car and stole it. They did not realise that there was a video camera in the car (dash cam) recording everything they said and did.

Part of their conversation covered what they would do if a person resisted while they were stealing their car. "I would kill them without a moments thought" said one of these punks, and this was a guy who was only about 20.

What sort of society are we creating in this country.

p.s. I know someone will blame the Tories for cutting police numbers, and even though I am a strong Tory voter I do feel that this trend should be reversed. However this rise in crime is more than just about police numbers, it is about some sections of society who just don't want to live by any rules.

[anotheoldgit]

/// How can you defend Britan from what is already here? ///

We can't but we can make them all truly British with a certain few measures.

[anotheoldgit]

Over to you now Guilbert53, I have had enough enjoyment for one day.

All of you have a good evening.

[ladybirder]

What a damn silly thread this turned into. This place gets worse by the day.

[gulliver1]

AOG , is a Blob, always has been, always will be . OK.

[ChillDoubt]

PP,
I’d appreciate you not continually singling out my posts in particular for response because, as ever, I can make absolutely no sense of 99.99% of the inane ramblings you(rather poorly) attempt to pass off as ‘posts’.

Ta muchly.

[david small]

A good start would be to ensure prison was very severely monitored and enforced. Restrictions upon recreational facilities employed for the unruly. Harsh treatment of those that break rules. More prisons built and longer sentences from the courts. Leniency a thing of the past. Jail to punish not redeem.make it a fearsome place not a sojourn as an occupational hazard.

[dunnitall]

Totally agree with your post, you are also speaking for myself and my other half and I know of plenty of people who feel the despair and conclude as you and I do!

Horrendous that this trend seems set to continue and IF there ever was a change and reversal of this trend it would take forever IF it even could happen. The resistance is there and I personally cannot see it changing in my lifetime. Me hat a thought when we and many others were brought up to respect to gain respect.

Those now haven't a clue what that word means....how sad is that and I am bereft in knowing my granchildren nd great grandchildren are left with this legacy.....sad that we are at this point in time and never ever expected it.

[hereIam]

Two very good posts above.

[sandyRoe]

The UK welcomes refugees with open arms. We give millions to underdeveloped countries. We are a humane and liberal country.
Whats to be ashamed about?

[david small]

Many expected it, and indeed predicted it. Liberalism thy name is despair.

[DTCwordfan]

I don't get the ashamed bit either. No country is perfect and we all have our society faults, always have done so.

Laud the good though and take a more positive attitude -

Then Brits have never managed change that well and this OP header is a classic of that 'genre', IMO - 'the Dad's Army syndrome' as I call it, always wanting what has passed - but at the same time conveniently forgetting what real life was like, pluses and minuses and then berate the present.

[Baldric]

// The UK welcomes refugees with open arms //

It's about time we were a little more selective imho.
This is in No Way a Racist comment just an anti Mass Immigration comment.
Mass Immigration will bring this Country to it's knees if it allowed to continue unchecked, the start of that process is there for all to see right now.

[jourdain2]

Someone asked about examples from the countryside. We're pretty rural. I left my keys in the door (on the outside) the other day for about an hour whilst we were out. No problem.
A couple of weeks ago some bunting that had been put up for a coffee morning at the Community Centre disappeared, the lady concerned was almost in tears; no-one could believe it had been taken. Sure enough someone turned up at the coffee morning bearing a bag containing said bunting - it had blown down and been rescued. I checked and our crime rate is equivalent to the Shetland Isles. So, the England we know and love, still exists. The sadness is in the pustules of the cities.

[ladybirder]

I'm afraid I've seen recently on a police programme that farms are now a regular target for their machinery and even livestock.

[ummmm]

That's not new, LB.

[ladybirder]

No it's not but it's increased a lot recently according to the police.

[retrocop]

I recall an episode whereby a young rookie constable was taken out by an old sweat puppy walking(i.e learning the ropes) in the 1950's. The police post light on their beat was flashing and when they answered the phone from the nick they were directed to a disturbance in a local pub.On entering the noisy pub the cacophony of vitriol immediately died down except one mouthy inebreiated yob who shouted, "Great a man comes in here hiding behind a uniform"

The old sweat, an ex Royal Navy fleet boxing champion replied,"Don't let the uniform worry you son. Come out side in the alley and I'll take it off" The mouthy lout followed the constable into the alley and the officer took off his tunic and helmet and hung them on the railings. After a very quick and one sided scrap the bruised mouthy yob was crying "enough" much to the amusement of his not so mouthy mates. The old copper donned his tunic and helmet and walked back down the alley with the rookie probationer in tow.

The rookie said, "Well now I have seen something they never taught me at the Peel Training school and no error"

The old copper turned to the young cop with a grin on his face and said," That is known as settling out of court son"


A great shame that police officers are no longer allowed to think on their feet without the encumbrance of some young senior officer who does not know his arris rail from his elbow who bows to the altar of Political correctness.

It is a government orchestrated initiative that anarchy and attacks against government must be quelled at all cost.It does not look good in the press both at home and abroad.

If some malcontent attempts to ram Pof W or Buck House they will have armed police on them within 2 minutes.Great response.

You are scared witless by a load of yobs smashing your windows and trashing your cars and threatening violence against you and your family and you can whistle

I would sooner the old ways of policing when swoop squads( SPG) could descend on knife wielding miscreants and bang them up with a hefty sentence to follow if found guilty.

When the likes of the late Bernie Grant and Dianne Abbot dictate the rules as how they want this country to be policed then we get what we deserve by appeasing them.

[emmie]

i live in the capital and never before have i felt so isolated. Ghettoes have sprung up in many parts of the capital and it not that they are no go areas, but its like living in a foreign country. I am proud of Britain, but London is becoming the sewer for the most part, something i thought i would never live to see.