Theresa May To Cite Welsh Assembly Referendum In Support Of Deal

[jim360]

In 1997 the Welsh Assembly was created, following a referendum with an extremely narrow result in its favour. A 0.6% margin on a 50% turnout is hardly convincing. Still, the Assembly was created. A powerful lesson, says Theresa May, in accepting a narrow result and moving on without fighting.

And a lesson that, I am sure, doesn't at all backfire on learning that the Tory Party voted against the subsequent legislation, as did Theresa May, thus rejecting a narrow majority in a referendum, and generally the Tories tried to resist the Bill and Assembly throughout its lifespan.

I mean, shouldn't she have, you know, checked this?

[Old_Geezer]

Everyone can learn from the past.

Anyway, different country level tiers of government, with one country in the nation denied one at all, sounds an awful system to me.

[jim360]

Oh, please, she isn't "learning from the past" when she's blatantly lying about it.

[steg]

//with one country in the nation denied one at all,//

Aye but they got EVEL (shhh no one else has)

[ToraToraTora]

they were the opposition jim, they were opposing, as per agent Cob these days.

[jim360]

Indeed, but then that sort of undermines any idea that opposing the EU referendum result is so scandalous.

[ToraToraTora]

hardly comparable is it? The whole UK out of the EUSSR v new pointless talking shop in Wales? Devolution is Just a vanity project from St Tony and Noo Laybore.

[jim360]

Well, you can think whatever you like about the policy, but the point here is the principle.

Also, for that matter, you're undermining your own point. If the Welsh Assembly is a vanity project or not, it's still true that it was nowhere near as important a decision as the EU one. Which, in turn, means that opposition to what you believe to be a mistake is that much more important.

One can't just rubber-stamp something because it has "Brexit" in the title.

[ToraToraTora]

if the whole UK had voted on it jim then you'd have a point.

[jim360]

Don't need that condition either. It is just a part of democracy that the opposition is free to continue to oppose.

[New Judge]

"And a lesson that, I am sure, doesn't at all backfire on learning that the Tory Party voted against the subsequent legislation,..."

Another crucial difference being that on this occasion neither Tory MPs nor Labour MPs opposed the subsequent legislation (the Withdrawal Bill which enabled A50 to be invoked). They both had leaving the EU in their 2017 manifesto and they both (near enough unanimously) voted for the Withdrawal Bill. It's the opposition's job to oppose but they didn't.

[Khandro]

//she isn't "learning from the past" when she's blatantly lying about it.//
Too true jim, and she has lied before, and is still doing so about her deal. Though it is forbidden to us the word liar in parliament, A Scottish MP more or less recently did so, and was forced to modify his words.

I really don't know what to make of the woman at all. She is the worst PM ever.

[naomi24]

If she believed that governments should honour the result of referenda she’d being honouring the result of the EU referendum. As it is, she isn’t. More guff.

[jim360]

I mean, be fair, Khandro -- Lord North and all that.

[Khandro]

He, ^^ was even beyond my memory, so I checked on him;

"North's reputation among historians has swung back and forth. It reached its lowest point in the late nineteenth century when he was depicted as a creature of the king and an incompetent who lost the American colonies [ I find it hard to see how any one man could have prevented Independence]. In the early twentieth century a revisionism emphasised his strengths in administering the Treasury, handling the House of Commons, and in defending the Church of England".

She put her friend and arch-remainer Hammond into the treasury, has been incompetent in the Commons. As for the C of E I don't know; she is the daughter of a vicar, but I've never heard her views on the subject, though sadly it barely matters in this age I suppose.