The Uk Will Have To Face The Consequences Of No Deal.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49021081
So will the EUSSR, Barmpot, me old china! Gawd ,the arrogance of these J arthurs, no wonder we are leaving. Why is it always portrayed as a one side thing?

[Zacs-Master]

AG, The EU were never going to listen to us:
'the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.'

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ZM: I was going by your phrase: "Article 50 does make it clear there would be no negotiation with the leaving member state" - so why did we even attempt it?

[Zacs-Master]

I have no idea. I can only conclude our majoritarian Pro EU MPs were playing for time. Or ignorant.

Whichever, I'll make my tired old point that they're not much better than our EU Overlords.

[New Judge]

I don't really know what you mean by "Article 50 does make it clear there would be no negotiation with the leaving member state.", Zacs. As you say, it says "In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State'"

I agree that the representative(s) of the leaving state would not be party to agreeing the consolidated position of the remaining countries, but surely once that position has been established the Treaty says that negotiations with the leaving state should occur. Of course what happened (near enough) was that the EU's position was laid out before the UK and that was about all the negotiating that took place (apart from which wine - French red or French white - they would have with dinner). But I believe A50 suggests that the process of concluding that agreement should involve negotiation.