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Is It Time For Gun Control How Can Australia Manage It And Not America?
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Is it time for gun control in America? Yet we have another horrendous mass shooting of innocent people. Australia managed it incredibly quickly how come America can't. Something has to be done
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I'm not trying to trivialise the issue, but I do want to propose the idea that more than one thing is going on here, and that, therefore, more than one question should be asked.
Take the recent acid attacks in London. A not unknown method of assault, but previously uncommon. The response by most politicos and those in the chattering classes was: what are the toxic substances used in these attacks? how easy is it to buy them? what steps should we take to make it more difficult to acquire them, and especially by the young teenagers who are most likely to the instigators of such?
I dare say you might want to ask any or all of these questions. But before any of these there's a more obvious question to be asked, isn't there?
I think most of you will know what that question is.
Take the recent acid attacks in London. A not unknown method of assault, but previously uncommon. The response by most politicos and those in the chattering classes was: what are the toxic substances used in these attacks? how easy is it to buy them? what steps should we take to make it more difficult to acquire them, and especially by the young teenagers who are most likely to the instigators of such?
I dare say you might want to ask any or all of these questions. But before any of these there's a more obvious question to be asked, isn't there?
I think most of you will know what that question is.
andy-hughes
/// You have an unfortunate habit of referring to something completely unconnected with the OP, in order to shoehorn a similarly unconnected race issue, which enables you to use your favourite word.
If I am discussing the concept of fun control in America and Australia, I am not likely to bring in the situation regarding crimes in the UK, because it is not appropriate - but i will certainly debate the issues should an appropriate thread appear on the site.
So to infer, as you so often do, that discussing one issue infers indifference to another is not only insulting, it advances the current discussion not one iota. ///
Says the person who shoehorned Dr Shipman into this thread, but of course that monster happened to be white, so nothing insulting there it would seem.
/// it advances the current discussion not one iota ///
You have proven that to be wrong, by the simple fact that you had to get your own pennies worth, when you could have just ignored my thread but that isn't you is it? Being the person who has always got to get in the last word.
/// You have an unfortunate habit of referring to something completely unconnected with the OP, in order to shoehorn a similarly unconnected race issue, which enables you to use your favourite word.
If I am discussing the concept of fun control in America and Australia, I am not likely to bring in the situation regarding crimes in the UK, because it is not appropriate - but i will certainly debate the issues should an appropriate thread appear on the site.
So to infer, as you so often do, that discussing one issue infers indifference to another is not only insulting, it advances the current discussion not one iota. ///
Says the person who shoehorned Dr Shipman into this thread, but of course that monster happened to be white, so nothing insulting there it would seem.
/// it advances the current discussion not one iota ///
You have proven that to be wrong, by the simple fact that you had to get your own pennies worth, when you could have just ignored my thread but that isn't you is it? Being the person who has always got to get in the last word.
AOG - // You have proven that to be wrong, by the simple fact that you had to get your own pennies worth, when you could have just ignored my thread but that isn't you is it? Being the person who has always got to get in the last word. //
The ethnicity of Doctor Shipman is utterly irrelevant to the point I made, but then, I lack your obsession with the colour of people's skin, so it did not occur to me to make a point about it.
As for ignoring 'your thread' - this has gordie's name on it - do you have an alter-ego we don't know about?
The ethnicity of Doctor Shipman is utterly irrelevant to the point I made, but then, I lack your obsession with the colour of people's skin, so it did not occur to me to make a point about it.
As for ignoring 'your thread' - this has gordie's name on it - do you have an alter-ego we don't know about?
jack - // Switzerland, however, as a nation is also keen on gun-ownership....but they don't suffer the regular atrocities we see coming out of USA, so perhaps it's something to do with the National psyche? //
A fair question - I always point out on threads like this that I believe there is a 'frontier mentality' in the American psyche which promotes the desire to own guns and 'protect the homestead'.
A fair question - I always point out on threads like this that I believe there is a 'frontier mentality' in the American psyche which promotes the desire to own guns and 'protect the homestead'.
The differeence between the U.S. and Switzerland is patriotic duty and national identity.
The Swiss pride themselves on their neutrality and one of their fears is invasion into their territory.All able bodied men undergo National Service and receive coprehensive firearms training and the disciplines that accompany it. After completion of National Service they retain ownership of their issued firearm and become a reserve militia. They are obliged to continue their shooting skills regularly.
They are allowed to openly carry their firearms to and from ranges without ammunition. That stays at home.It is reckoned about 60% of the populace would be mobilised in a heartbeat to defend their country.
The difference is necessity to hold firearms,regular supervised practice and discipline in Switzerland and No discipline, No supervision and no good reason other than the right to carry firearms laid down in an ancient constitution.
The Swiss pride themselves on their neutrality and one of their fears is invasion into their territory.All able bodied men undergo National Service and receive coprehensive firearms training and the disciplines that accompany it. After completion of National Service they retain ownership of their issued firearm and become a reserve militia. They are obliged to continue their shooting skills regularly.
They are allowed to openly carry their firearms to and from ranges without ammunition. That stays at home.It is reckoned about 60% of the populace would be mobilised in a heartbeat to defend their country.
The difference is necessity to hold firearms,regular supervised practice and discipline in Switzerland and No discipline, No supervision and no good reason other than the right to carry firearms laid down in an ancient constitution.
retrocop - // The differeence between the U.S. and Switzerland is patriotic duty and national identity.
The Swiss pride themselves on their neutrality and one of their fears is invasion into their territory.All able bodied men undergo National Service and receive coprehensive firearms training and the disciplines that accompany it. After completion of National Service they retain ownership of their issued firearm and become a reserve militia. They are obliged to continue their shooting skills regularly.
They are allowed to openly carry their firearms to and from ranges without ammunition. That stays at home.It is reckoned about 60% of the populace would be mobilised in a heartbeat to defend their country.
The difference is necessity to hold firearms,regular supervised practice and discipline in Switzerland and No discipline, No supervision and no good reason other than the right to carry firearms laid down in an ancient constitution. //
I would regard that as a balanced and accurate assessment of the differences between the national psyches of the two nations.
The pity is that the vast diversity and sheer size of the US are two aspects that feed into these increasingly frequent massacres.
The Swiss pride themselves on their neutrality and one of their fears is invasion into their territory.All able bodied men undergo National Service and receive coprehensive firearms training and the disciplines that accompany it. After completion of National Service they retain ownership of their issued firearm and become a reserve militia. They are obliged to continue their shooting skills regularly.
They are allowed to openly carry their firearms to and from ranges without ammunition. That stays at home.It is reckoned about 60% of the populace would be mobilised in a heartbeat to defend their country.
The difference is necessity to hold firearms,regular supervised practice and discipline in Switzerland and No discipline, No supervision and no good reason other than the right to carry firearms laid down in an ancient constitution. //
I would regard that as a balanced and accurate assessment of the differences between the national psyches of the two nations.
The pity is that the vast diversity and sheer size of the US are two aspects that feed into these increasingly frequent massacres.
As Switzerland has been cited as a comparison perhaps it may interest some to observe how the Swiss take their shooting seriously.
The equivalent of shooting over the M6 swiss style. The vehicular traffic tootles along uninhibited by over head shots.Due to the size of Switzerland and it's Geography they have to utilise any reasonably flat land they can The club houses and gallery are immaculate. Makes the world famous National Shooting Ground in Bisley look like an open toilet in comparison.
A shortish clip
The equivalent of shooting over the M6 swiss style. The vehicular traffic tootles along uninhibited by over head shots.Due to the size of Switzerland and it's Geography they have to utilise any reasonably flat land they can The club houses and gallery are immaculate. Makes the world famous National Shooting Ground in Bisley look like an open toilet in comparison.
A shortish clip
andy-hughes
/// As for ignoring 'your thread' - this has gordie's name on it - do you have an alter-ego we don't know about? ///
I made a mistake which was obvious to anyone but you, I meant post and not thread.
It has not gone unnoticed that you chose to ignore the fact that it was you who went off track by bringing Dr Shipman into the discussion, while you accused me of entering irreverent details into the discussion.
/// I lack your obsession with the colour of people's skin, so it did not occur to me to make a point about it. ///
I was only highlighting your hypocrisy when it comes to religion and race, the fact that if Dr Shipman had been of colour you would not have brought him into the discussion.
/// As for ignoring 'your thread' - this has gordie's name on it - do you have an alter-ego we don't know about? ///
I made a mistake which was obvious to anyone but you, I meant post and not thread.
It has not gone unnoticed that you chose to ignore the fact that it was you who went off track by bringing Dr Shipman into the discussion, while you accused me of entering irreverent details into the discussion.
/// I lack your obsession with the colour of people's skin, so it did not occur to me to make a point about it. ///
I was only highlighting your hypocrisy when it comes to religion and race, the fact that if Dr Shipman had been of colour you would not have brought him into the discussion.
AOG - // /// As for ignoring 'your thread' - this has gordie's name on it - do you have an alter-ego we don't know about? ///
I made a mistake which was obvious to anyone but you, I meant post and not thread. //
I did notice it, but once again you are the nit-picker nit-picked - annoying, isn't it.
// It has not gone unnoticed that you chose to ignore the fact that it was you who went off track by bringing Dr Shipman into the discussion, while you accused me of entering irreverent details into the discussion. //
My introduction of Dr Shipman was to make an entirely valid point, relavent to the thread - by all means argue my point, as long as you can restrain yourself from talking about the colour of his skin which, again since you missed it last time, is not relevant to the discusion.
// I lack your obsession with the colour of people's skin, so it did not occur to me to make a point about it. ///
I was only highlighting your hypocrisy when it comes to religion and race, the fact that if Dr Shipman had been of colour you would not have brought him into the discussion. //
I have no hypocrisy, you cannot know why I introduced Dr Shipman, apart from what I posted, which, for a third and hopefully last time, was not connected to the colour of his skin.
To say that had Doctor Shipman not been white I would not have introduced him is so far off the notion of reason as to be virtually beyond comment - for the fourth and absolutely last time, the colour of Dr Shipman's skin is not relevant, and has nothing to do with why I brought him into the discussion.
I made a mistake which was obvious to anyone but you, I meant post and not thread. //
I did notice it, but once again you are the nit-picker nit-picked - annoying, isn't it.
// It has not gone unnoticed that you chose to ignore the fact that it was you who went off track by bringing Dr Shipman into the discussion, while you accused me of entering irreverent details into the discussion. //
My introduction of Dr Shipman was to make an entirely valid point, relavent to the thread - by all means argue my point, as long as you can restrain yourself from talking about the colour of his skin which, again since you missed it last time, is not relevant to the discusion.
// I lack your obsession with the colour of people's skin, so it did not occur to me to make a point about it. ///
I was only highlighting your hypocrisy when it comes to religion and race, the fact that if Dr Shipman had been of colour you would not have brought him into the discussion. //
I have no hypocrisy, you cannot know why I introduced Dr Shipman, apart from what I posted, which, for a third and hopefully last time, was not connected to the colour of his skin.
To say that had Doctor Shipman not been white I would not have introduced him is so far off the notion of reason as to be virtually beyond comment - for the fourth and absolutely last time, the colour of Dr Shipman's skin is not relevant, and has nothing to do with why I brought him into the discussion.
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