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16:48 Mon 26th Aug 2019
I suppose I'll have to dumb it down for ZM. You see the judge was making the point that they voted for the referendum etc with no intention iof honouring it but that was not apparaent at the time. Hence later discussion now referto their subsequent actions in trying to block democracy. I think that's what the judge was talking about. Gawd you are hard work.
//‘Many of those 544 who voted to allow a referendum four years ago did so with no intention of honouring the result‘
Mmm. Somewhat undermines your ‘most of them stated they would agree to implement the outcome’//
Not at all, Zacs. I was comparing what they said in 2015, what they did in March 2017 (when they voted to invoke A50), what manifestoes they stood on in June 2017 at the General election, and what they are doing now. Most of them did state they would agree to implement the outcome (at least those of the two most popular parties did, which amounts to most of them). What I am suggesting now is that in 2015 they were dishonest. Firstly they never expected a “Leave” vote to be returned so did not consider their promises would be tested (unless a “Remain” vote was returned and they intended to renage on that). Then they believed the result would be reversed by some mechanism or other. Now that they seem to have accepted that it will not they are suggesting the manner of departure is their main gripe.
The Commons has had two opportunities to simply prevent Brexit occurring (when they voted to allow a referendum and when they voted to trigger A50). They had a fresh chance to effectively put the question again to the electorate at the 2017 GE. Both the major parties chose not to do so. Those MPs standing for those parties had the opportunity to stand as Independents, vowing to revoke A50. None of them chose to do so.
There is nothing contradictory about what I said and there is no requirement to “dumb down” on my account. The contradiction comes from the MPs who dislike the result of the referendum and are now trying to backtrack on the pledges they made on at least three occasions in two years.
///People being unable to justify what harm the EU have done to our daily lives, except unjustified mumbling about sovereignty, resource gobbling lightbulbs and weapons grade weed killer.///
We've done that - to death, buried it, dug it up again and re-buried it. It deserves to be left in peace.
Mmm. Somewhat undermines your ‘most of them stated they would agree to implement the outcome’//
Not at all, Zacs. I was comparing what they said in 2015, what they did in March 2017 (when they voted to invoke A50), what manifestoes they stood on in June 2017 at the General election, and what they are doing now. Most of them did state they would agree to implement the outcome (at least those of the two most popular parties did, which amounts to most of them). What I am suggesting now is that in 2015 they were dishonest. Firstly they never expected a “Leave” vote to be returned so did not consider their promises would be tested (unless a “Remain” vote was returned and they intended to renage on that). Then they believed the result would be reversed by some mechanism or other. Now that they seem to have accepted that it will not they are suggesting the manner of departure is their main gripe.
The Commons has had two opportunities to simply prevent Brexit occurring (when they voted to allow a referendum and when they voted to trigger A50). They had a fresh chance to effectively put the question again to the electorate at the 2017 GE. Both the major parties chose not to do so. Those MPs standing for those parties had the opportunity to stand as Independents, vowing to revoke A50. None of them chose to do so.
There is nothing contradictory about what I said and there is no requirement to “dumb down” on my account. The contradiction comes from the MPs who dislike the result of the referendum and are now trying to backtrack on the pledges they made on at least three occasions in two years.
///People being unable to justify what harm the EU have done to our daily lives, except unjustified mumbling about sovereignty, resource gobbling lightbulbs and weapons grade weed killer.///
We've done that - to death, buried it, dug it up again and re-buried it. It deserves to be left in peace.
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