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[LeedsRhinos]

Sensible answers only please. What would be the most likely outcome IF the BNP won an election and came to govern the UK?

[sp1814]

Oneeyedvic

Very good points...however, what I was trying to convey is that I now believe that there is a minority of people who believe that I am the cause of all of their woes. To me, that's the same as what the Nazis propagated in the 1930s.

You've failed in life?

It's the Jews!

Your business has failed?

It's the Jews!

Your housing is rubbish?

It's the Jews.

I've been very interested in posted at this site about racism and honest - no distinction is given between people like me, and fake asylum seekers. I kid you not. It's getting to a point now where I genuinely feel dismayed when a black man commits a nationally reported crime, because it gives succour to the racists.

[sp1814]

Let me just clarify something...I am not comparing the current political situation with what was happening in Nazi Germany in the 1930's.

What I am saying is that as a black man, I know how the Jews felt to have fingers pointed at them...I am a professional man who is probably more conservative (with a small 'c') than most of my mates.

However, with the rise of the BNP - what's my role in this country? If they got in (and yes, it's entirely hypothetical)...what on earth would my options be? Would I be able to remain in the country that I love? No way! It would be obvious that I wasn't wanted here...so I would have to go.

Now...just for a minute...imagine that...you grow up in a country which has educated you, provided you with work and in which all your friends/family live...and a party comes to power which has a manifesto which proclaims..."Yeah, cheers - could you go off to a country that you've never even visited"

Can anyone picture how they would feel???

[sp1814]

By the way...big up to everyone for conducting this debate in an mature and sensible manner.

Seriously.

[sp1814]

By the way Oneeyedvic - normally you and I do agree...however, on this subject - I tend to speak directly from the heart...I may go over the top.

I need to get a blueberry muffin now, but am happy to contribute to the debate in any way.

[Loosehead]

Take your points Sp, what do you think about the points that it's the behaviour of the current governement that is driving people to the extremist parties rather than direct support for them.

[Ward-Minter]

sp1814. You state what would your options be if the BNP got to power. Well, maybe as frivolous as your Jew analagy, but that's the point of politics.

There were more unionist in thatchers years then there are Blacks in this countries---She destroyed them.

There are more Women in this country than men, yet they still get paid less.

There are more law-abiding folk here than criminals but they get the worse deal.

Blah Blah Blah.

Therefore if the BNP are democratically voted in, then you do have an options. In fact you two. One would be to leave the country (what the BNP want, not my view I hasten to add) and 2) would be to lump it. Like the miners, the women, the anti-war protestors etc etc.

Or better still, lump it like me, A white, middle-class, law-abiding, hetrosexual Liberal who feels this particular Govt treats me worse than the BNP will ever treat you you real terms.

[Ward-Minter]

PS I like your word "succour". For the first time ever, I had to check a dictionary for a word on AB!

[sp1814]

Loose/Ward (I feel comfortable enough with you to call you by your first names now):

Loose: Current Government - I totally agree that the Labour government have brought this on themselves by not listening to the concerns of people in this country...however, turning to the BNP is an extreme reaction. What's wrong with putting the Conservatives in power (you have no idea how hard it was for me to write that).

Ward: no matter what you think of the current government, you wouldn't want to actually leave the country, would you? My partner is a white middle class professional whose job ties him to the UK. Unless we could find him a job abroad in a friendly country, what would that do to our relationship?

Also, I really don't think that living as a black man under a fascist right wing government is that frivolous when compared to what was happening to the Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. As far as I'm aware (and history isn't my particular strong point), the 30s saw the beginnings of the atrocities that we now know about...

[Oneeyedvic]

WM - glad to see you have a dictionary - do you want to check the menaing of the word 'liberal''

;-p

Seriously - you do make a valid point though.

[sp1814]

Can I just make another point...I think this country is flipping wonderful. It's enabled me to achieve everything (and more) that I've wanted to do in life. I'm extraordinarily happy and content...and the thought of a party like the BNP every getting in (as, say councillors in a local ward) depresses the hell out of me.

[Oneeyedvic]

sp - thanks for the clarification - and I agree - the thought of the BNP in power is awful.

[Ward-Minter]

I love this definition of Liberal (archaic but not yet obsolete!)

Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.

sp, I am just saying the BNP are not Nazi's are they. I really do not think they are in favour of concentration camps or gas chambers. I appreciate some of their view are a little harsh (as previously stated) but I wouldn't go as far to say they are fascists. The poor jews didn't have an option. They fled or they died.

Would I leave this country. To be honest, the answer would be no. as much as I abhor the current system, I think Ol' Blighty is too strong a thing to expunge from my blood. Afternoon tea and all that.

[sp1814]

Ward

Okay - I understand your (and Oneeyed's) point about the difference between the Nazis and the BNP. Frankly, I am absolutely certain that the British now are nothing like the Germans then. It's just not comparable.

My family chose to live here, and I certainly wouldn't want to feel chased out by a minority right wing group. I grew up near Bermondsy in the 1970s, so I remember the NF, and I hope this is a passing phase.

By the way, with the BNP, it ain't just immigration - they're not too keen on equal employment rights for women...and as for gays. Blimey!

[stevie-p]

if the bnp won an election they would do no better or worse than any government we have ever had,all false promises ,you know the usual.... everything will still cost more one way or another.

[*ALFIE*]

Quite simply........the BMP should be prisoned for life :)

[Loosehead]

well Alfie, I assume you mean the BNP. We do not yet imprison people for having differing views to what is the mainstream. That would be even worse, so what party do you support?

[Lonnie]

I've kept out of this thread until now, I'm white, Jewish, and English.

I've read the BNPs Manifesto, and I can see why they are gaining support, they actually have some good policies, However,

The BNP, stand for Apartheit, it must do, they say they don't want 'Coffee coloured people running around', and even though nothing was said on the religous front, I don't trust them, regardless of the face they are now wearing, but the immediate people who should be worried, are the non whites, which sp1814 picked up on.

They are now putting on a respectable face, but I doubt they have changed much from the National Front days.

But going back to their statement about Coffee Coloured People, maybe someone couls tell me how this policy wouls work, and how it would be implimented?.

[Zen]

As much as I loathe them,why are the BNP becoming so popular ? It alright the mainstream parties slagging them off,but it's due to their own inertia on such things as immigration and crime that are making people turn to the BNP.
�All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing�

[JudgeJ]

I have not fully read all of these answers bur WaldoMcFroog has probably hit the nail on the head. And it demonstrates perfectly that those of us who thought we lived in a democracy are sadly mistaken.

Leaving aside the specific issue that the policies of the BNP are probably unacceptable to most people, any party elected to government under the rule of law should be permitted to govern. Quite aside from the fact that manifesto commitments are rarely carried through, governments (of all political persuasions) are faced with obstruction by the Civil Service and the House of Lords, and massive interference from Brussels. I�m not saying whether that is right or wrong (that�s too long an argument!) but people must not be bamboozled into thinking that voting for a party they believe will do what they want, will result in a government which carries out their wishes.

On a slighter different tack it is not by any means a silly question. The two main parties have, for some time, been moving closer to the centre. In their desperate bid to gain or retain power they both seem to have lost sight of the country�s best interests, choosing instead to pander to the whims of any vocal minority cute enough to hold their attention for a few minutes. As a result, overall they please nobody and upset everybody. They must not be surprised when the electorate (who are more astute than they give them credit for) begin to look to alternative parties (who will probably lean considerably to one extreme or the other) to get us out of the mire.

[the jackel78]

I don't understand why when the BNP are mentioned certain people start talking about hitler and the jews. The bnp have an elected jewish councillor, and the full support of a prominent sikh community leader (Rajinder Singh) which kinda makes most genuinely open minded people think. It's catch 22 for the BNP, the press create an image (skinhead doc martyns etc) then peddle that image through as many media outlets as possible (the sun, the mirror etc) then say the bnp need to change the image!!! The reason that good quality candidates are in short supply in the BNP is the simple fact that most of these high calibre candidates would be hounded out their jobs for daring to stand! Its a situation comparable to the communist soviet union when doctors and teachers were left to sweep the streets because of their political opinion.