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Bbc To Set Faulty Towers
woke frenzy continues at the beeb, the major words simply will not do..cleansing begins.
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Andy, I don't think it is anything to do with "woke". More that times change. There is a lot more comedy now, that is much nearer the knuckle than it used to be. I think society and humour changes, but it's nothing to do with snowflakes or woke.
Casual racism, sexism etc might have seemed hilarious 30 years ago, but we've moved on since.
It either needs to be shown as nostalgia or left. I don't think you can have it both ways and appeal to both 20 something new audiences, as well as those who remember it first time round. Not with this, anyway. I loved it, but it doesn't travel well.
Casual racism, sexism etc might have seemed hilarious 30 years ago, but we've moved on since.
It either needs to be shown as nostalgia or left. I don't think you can have it both ways and appeal to both 20 something new audiences, as well as those who remember it first time round. Not with this, anyway. I loved it, but it doesn't travel well.
This article from 2013 shows that the point was alive and kicking back then and still the wheel turns. When did this woke generation of which you prattle start exactly Andy?
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Fender, there's a difference between finding something "not-offensive" or actually finding it funny. I think FT would be far too predictable and old-fashioned now, for most viewers to find it actually funny- but that doesn't mean they find it offensive. Most people require more from "comedy" than "i wasn't insulted by it".
I understand that times change, but surely the greater education and sophistication of today's viewers should increase the understanding that culture is always of it's time, and what was acceptable then may not be acceptable now.
And as advised, modern comedy is far more potentially offensive.
On that basis, if Frankie Boyle can offer Katie Price's autistic son sexually assaulting her as comedy, I don't think the nation will fall apart when a racist geriatric uses outdated terms for people of colour.
And as advised, modern comedy is far more potentially offensive.
On that basis, if Frankie Boyle can offer Katie Price's autistic son sexually assaulting her as comedy, I don't think the nation will fall apart when a racist geriatric uses outdated terms for people of colour.
//On that basis, if Frankie Boyle can offer Katie Price's autistic son sexually assaulting her as comedy, I don't think the nation will fall apart when a racist geriatric uses outdated terms for people of colour.//
Just to say, that was 10 years ago and on Channel 4. Nothing to do with the Beeb, and slightly less woke times, although there was a tonne of complaints at the time, not to mention that paragon of virtue, The Sun launching a retaliatory campaign against Boyle.
Just to say, that was 10 years ago and on Channel 4. Nothing to do with the Beeb, and slightly less woke times, although there was a tonne of complaints at the time, not to mention that paragon of virtue, The Sun launching a retaliatory campaign against Boyle.
Mozz - // Just to say, that was 10 years ago and on Channel 4. Nothing to do with the Beeb, and slightly less woke times, although there was a tonne of complaints at the time, not to mention that paragon of virtue, The Sun launching a retaliatory campaign against Boyle. //
I don't think the time and the channel are relevant to my point, which is that we have come on a really long way since Mary Whitehouse had an attack of the vapours over The Goodies - and we should be adult and experienced enough to understand the notion of time and place in culture and stop shoe-horning old attitudes into modern attitudes, and then censoring them until they fit.
I don't think the time and the channel are relevant to my point, which is that we have come on a really long way since Mary Whitehouse had an attack of the vapours over The Goodies - and we should be adult and experienced enough to understand the notion of time and place in culture and stop shoe-horning old attitudes into modern attitudes, and then censoring them until they fit.
pixie - // Andy, I don't think it is anything to do with "woke". More that times change. There is a lot more comedy now, that is much nearer the knuckle than it used to be. I think society and humour changes, but it's nothing to do with snowflakes or woke. //.
I disagree - because there is a sense of outrage and censorship among young people that was simply not present when I was that age. Then we thought Mary Whitehouse was a batty old bird to be ignored, which she absolutely was.
//It either needs to be shown as nostalgia or left. I don't think you can have it both ways and appeal to both 20 something new audiences, as well as those who remember it first time round. Not with this, anyway. I loved it, but it doesn't travel well. //
I think that it would absolutely not appeal to younger audiences, so why tailor it to their sensibilities, when they will probably not watch it any way. The original audience who loved it first time will be utterly unfazed by the content.
I do take your point that it should be shown as nostalgia, and a warning put out - and that should be it.
You can advise people that this was how things were then, that's fine, but to pretend that that is not how things were by preventing them being experienced, denies people a look at history, and seeing how we got from there to here.
None, and I mean not one of the modern comedians that young people love would be comedians were it not for the work of Cleese and his generation - and that work should be seen in context, not simply airbrushed because it doesn't suit modern tastes.
I disagree - because there is a sense of outrage and censorship among young people that was simply not present when I was that age. Then we thought Mary Whitehouse was a batty old bird to be ignored, which she absolutely was.
//It either needs to be shown as nostalgia or left. I don't think you can have it both ways and appeal to both 20 something new audiences, as well as those who remember it first time round. Not with this, anyway. I loved it, but it doesn't travel well. //
I think that it would absolutely not appeal to younger audiences, so why tailor it to their sensibilities, when they will probably not watch it any way. The original audience who loved it first time will be utterly unfazed by the content.
I do take your point that it should be shown as nostalgia, and a warning put out - and that should be it.
You can advise people that this was how things were then, that's fine, but to pretend that that is not how things were by preventing them being experienced, denies people a look at history, and seeing how we got from there to here.
None, and I mean not one of the modern comedians that young people love would be comedians were it not for the work of Cleese and his generation - and that work should be seen in context, not simply airbrushed because it doesn't suit modern tastes.
Ken - // I read that the broadcasts are going out before the 9pm watershed and that they are also censoring the 'rude' anagram at the beginning of the 11th episode, 'The anniversary'. :-( //
I remember watching that with my oldest daughters way back, and the eldest read out what she could see on the sign in the guileless voice of a six-year-old, so I thought it better to leave well alone than get into a difficult conversation!!
I remember watching that with my oldest daughters way back, and the eldest read out what she could see on the sign in the guileless voice of a six-year-old, so I thought it better to leave well alone than get into a difficult conversation!!
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