Which Verdict Will Cause The Most Looting?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/derek-chauvin-trial-live-updates-as-george-floyd-murder-case-jury-to-hear-closing-arguments-before-verdict-on-ex-police-officer-12280352
Jury retires today, get ready for the riots.

[andy-hughes]

pixie - // I agree to a point, Andy. I just don't see it as one is "bad" so that makes the other "good". Maybe neither are publicly useful. Even if you consider Floyd got his "comeuppance" (I don't), that doesn't actually make Chauvin's actions any more acceptable.
If I went out and murdered a stranger...(I know this wasn't), and it turned out they were a serial killer, that might seem a "good result", but still, that doesn't change what I also did. //

And that is exactly my point.

If you start giving a free to someone who kills someone based on a sliding scale of how much worth the victim was, and how much he or she would benefit society by continuing to exist, then we face a rather difficult question -

Who sets the rules?

Who makes the judgements?

Who decides who is worthy of living, and who should be punished for their death, and if at all, then how much?

These are complex moral arguments which cannot simply be summed up by the fatuous scenario that the ex-officer had his day ruined through no fault of his own, and that makes him deserving of our sympathy - to say nothing of exemption from our laws and statutes

[aelmpvw]

looting will occur whatever the verdict :-(

[Jackdaw33]

My feeling is that a unanimous verdict is unlikely and that this saga will run and run.

[davebro]

"In my view, that is presuming to a ludicrous degree, that criminals are bright enough to make a risk assessment before they embark on criminal activity,"

Maybe the cops are as thick as the robbers and don't do a risk assessment when restraining a violent criminal in a stressful situation. I don't think DC was thinking - if I kill this guy I will end in prison for a long time!

[andy-hughes]

davebro - // "In my view, that is presuming to a ludicrous degree, that criminals are bright enough to make a risk assessment before they embark on criminal activity,"

Maybe the cops are as thick as the robbers and don't do a risk assessment when restraining a violent criminal in a stressful situation. I don't think DC was thinking - if I kill this guy I will end in prison for a long time! //

I think we can take as read that in general terms, police officers are brighter than criminals - regular hours, pension, meal subsidies, that kind of thing - with obviously exceptions on both sides.

But you are quite right - the notion of possible anticipation of actions and consequences is something neither side can factor into their chosen career path, because, put simply, life isn't like that.

Laws are for everyone, or they are pointless, and the moment you start saying that criminals deserve to die because they are criminals, and police officers deserve to escape punishment because they are police officers, then you are looking at the end of the law, and the end of society as we know it.

[naomi24]

AH, //the moment you start saying that criminals deserve to die because they are criminals, and police officers deserve to escape punishment because they are police officers//

As far as I can see the only one who's even suggested that line of thought is you.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - then I suggest you re-read the thread.

[naomi24]

I've read the thread. I don't recall anyone saying that.

[Untitled]

I'll ask then... do you believe George Floyd deserved to die because he was a criminal?

[ToraToraTora]

no one "deserves to die because they are a criminal" - however if they do die in the process of law enforcement then that is a consequence of their actions.

[naomi24]

I presume that was to me, untitled. No, I don’t believe that.

[fender62]

im sure some protestors aka looters have already made a shopping list
verdict makes no difference, as some have an agenda that has nothing to do with the trial.

[david small]

I can think of very many criminals that deserve to die. Some very painfully.

[Peter Pedant]

// and police officers deserve to escape punishment because they are police officers////

yeah there is an AB ramble somewhere - getting out of bed, feeding the dog without a care in the world -

[Untitled]

I’m sure we are all very impressed david small.

[Untitled]

“however if they do die in the process of law enforcement then that is a consequence of their actions.“

Seems like an indirect way of saying they deserve it.

[Peter Pedant]

// “however if th
that meathsi y do die in the process of law enforcement then that is a consequence of their actions.“//

what utter tosh -