Boris Says There Are Fifty Shades Of Gray

[Peter Pedant]

Boris ( our prime minister silly!) has met Sue Gray. They have discussed her forthcoming report. The report is likely to be critical as fixed penalties have been issued and paid.

The hacks and journos are having a field day and saying the Prime Minister must allay suspicions that he is trying to revise the final wording.

What do Abers ( and Boris supporter are allowed a say: I believe in Free Speech !) think about the idea that when BJ opens his mouth a decent proportion think he will lie ?

[ToraToraTora]

well you could just use the dictionary definition of what a porky actually is: "Saying something untrue that you know to be untrue when saying it" - tada!

[THECORBYLOON]

Odd then that when folk claim the bus stated £350 million would be paid to the NHS each week, they are described as being illiterate rather than truthful.

[Ellipsis]

> Saying something untrue that you know to be untrue when saying it

Which is what he did this time, unless in his fantasy world those parties in his house and place of work were not actually happening ...

“All guidance was followed completely in Number 10.”

He is a fantasist, a liar or both.

[ToraToraTora]

"“All guidance was followed completely in Number 10.” " - he thought it was that's a belief.

[sandra4444]

I'm just concerned TTT, it don't seem normal. Have you any hobbies?

[ToraToraTora]

Yes my main hobby is refuting lefty/5C BS, I'm very good at it.

[Hymie]

It could be that TTT is suffering from the same psychological disorder as Boris – but I doubt even Boris would profess that he is not a liar.

[ToraToraTora]

where have I said Boris is not a liar? I have never said that. All I have done is ask for examples many times. I have yet to receive one.

[THECORBYLOON]

If Boris says something, that's truthful because it's what he believes to be true.

If some others say something that they believe to be truthful but you disagree with, that is, "lefty/5C BS"?

[sandra4444]

13.14 Do you think a little time out would be good?

[ToraToraTora]

do you? just ignore me if you are finding it to difficult to comprehend.

[Ken4155]

I believe Johnson practised his 'lying' skills on his ex-wife whenever his whereabouts were questioned:-/

[sandra4444]

13.29 That's a brilliant idea TTT. Will do. Thanks

[Ellipsis]

This is not all simple playful fun.

For example, Putin wants to "de-Nazify Ukraine." If it's his honest belief that Ukraine is led by Nazis, then being on his border, and accepting the fact that an honest belief is good enough, he would be totally justified in invading.

But meanwhile, in the civilised, rational world, belief that is contrary to all the evidence, belief that is demonstrably factually wrong, is not good enough ... it's living a lie.

[sandra4444]

Putin is 100% right, there are Nazis in Ukraine. They are all in his army

[Ellipsis]

Well, I don't want to make the thread about Putin, I'm just pointing out the dangers of allowing leaders to get away with lying and justifying it by saying it was their sincerely held belief.

[Peter Pedant]

we are getting quite near the new two stage test for dishonesty in Ivey v Genting
what was the state of mind of the liar
and would an er 'normal' person think it was dishonest ?

if you are finding it to difficult to comprehend.
yeah that someone is faced with a liar and says " well you know he has a point..." so often - - is difficult to comprehend

something we agree on then

[Peter Pedant]

They (nazis) are all in his (putin's) army
yeah but no but

the Azoc brigade have had an 'interesting' past

But as ma daydy was asked about a sick Tommy in 1940 - can he kill huns?

[Peter Pedant]

// It could be that TTT is suffering from the same psychological disorder as Boris //
but not getting as much sex as Boris....

Deadline 5 pm for comments - so not this week then
( need time to consider the comments - and if the answer is "no amendment not accepted" - then you have another round of Maxwellisation" - ie "o I think you should miss"- gap- 'no' etc)