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AH, //If anyone thought about consequences, they would not commit the crime in the first place, but crimes are not committed by people who rationalise and consider the results of their actions - that's what makes them criminals in the first place.//

I don’t believe that applies across the board. I'd hazard a guess that shoplifters and burglars know exactly what the penalties might be but take their chances in the hope they won’t be caught. People who carry out mass shootings are in a different league altogether.
yes Naomi
no AH
people steal to feed their families - chrissakes
Madoff just sortta fell over $568 m in his pyramid fraud - oh pleez!
Normal day on AB then

( necessity is a defence to theft in Islamic Law, just felt you had to know)
I know we arent supposed to stereotype - but would you sell a gun to this man and a stack of ammunition.....

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/highland-park-shooting-live-multiple-170326934.html
Has anyone noticed that there are NO demands for gun control - either on AB or within the Great American Republic ?

Is this Learned Helplessness?
Learned helplessness is a state that occurs after a person has experienced a stressful situation repeatedly. They come to believe that they are unable to control or change the situation, so they do not try — even when opportunities for change become available.31

( A thousand Abers, starting foo, what dat den, wossee on abart and so on and so on as depressingly usual- no learned helplessness there then ! - ter daah !)
PP - // Has anyone noticed that there are NO demands for gun control - either on AB or within the Great American Republic ? //

There is no point in anyone in AB 'demanding' gun control, I think it is more or less taken as read by the majority on here.

As for the 'Great American Republic' - the lethal combination of money tied up in gun manufacture, and the 'frontier' mentality that still pervades that society, means that they are comfortable with their gun controls as they are.
//A thousand Abers, starting foo, what dat den, wossee on abart and so on and so on as depressingly usual//

They only need to copy and paste your deliberations into google search PP - and they'll know all about it - as you now do.
naomi - // I don’t believe that applies across the board. I'd hazard a guess that shoplifters and burglars know exactly what the penalties might be but take their chances in the hope they won’t be caught. People who carry out mass shootings are in a different league altogether. //

We have exchanged our mutual views on this several times.

I do take your point that some criminals regard punishment as an occupational hazard, as the opening to the TV comedy 'Porridge' confirms, but I think as a broad rule, criminals are not thinkers, and therefore I believe my position is broadly accurate, although of course there are exceptions to every rule.
I don't think we should be too sanctimonious about it to be honest. It's their issue, and they'll either address it or they won't.

It's not a society I'd ever want to live in, but I'll never have to, so that's OK.
// and paste your deliberations into google search PP//
did she just say use google?
where's my irony klaxon ! blaaaarp! - righto!

I supposed that Biden could not say that he couldnt do anything about it (gun control) because they would unelect him next time round.
AH 12.15. I didn’t say some criminals regard punishment as an occupational hazard because that’s not what I meant.

You say ‘if anyone thought about the consequences they would not commit the crime in the first place’. I disagree. Most criminals do think about it. They know full well before they commit the crime what the consequences might be - if they are caught. They just hope they’re not.
//I supposed that Biden could not say that he couldnt do anything about it (gun control) because they would unelect him next time round.//

Triple negative! Please clarify.
If the Americans are so keen on shooting people why dont they go off to Ukraine and help them.

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