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....oh dear, poor Labour, just when they thought half a century without a GE win just might change!
....oh dear, poor Labour, just when they thought half a century without a GE win just might change!
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being economically inactive and being on benefits are not the same thing by a long chalk… there are a bit less than 9 million people who are economically inactive (the vast majority of whom are students, looking after family or the home or are sick) and about 22 million people are in receipt of benefits
being economically inactive and being on benefits are not the same thing by a long chalk… there are a bit less than 9 million people who are economically inactive (the vast majority of whom are students, looking after family or the home or are sick) and about 22 million people are in receipt of benefits
untitled: //"if your parents were raising 6 children as well as working odd jobs (and assuming they weren’t being negligent) then it does not sound like they were “freeloaders”…// - of course they were they got everything they could out of the state and never contributed to it.
"you appear to have received a decent education and done pretty well based on what you have said… sounds like it was well worth what little the money your family received from the state " - That was despite my up bringing not because of it. I would refer you to most of my siblings if you knew them.
"you appear to have received a decent education and done pretty well based on what you have said… sounds like it was well worth what little the money your family received from the state " - That was despite my up bringing not because of it. I would refer you to most of my siblings if you knew them.
The ONS defines “economic inactivity” as not being in search of employment… the wording is unhelpful i agree
i also agree with your sentiment… people who choose to retire a few years early because they have the means to do so after decades of work are surely not harming anyone… but according to NJ’s dogmatic attitude they would be “freeloaders”!
i also agree with your sentiment… people who choose to retire a few years early because they have the means to do so after decades of work are surely not harming anyone… but according to NJ’s dogmatic attitude they would be “freeloaders”!
"I don’t know anything about your family toratoratora but assuming your parents made their best effort to raise you all (which i will assume unless you say otherwise) then raising 6 children would seem to be a contribution to society to me " - err no they did not do their best effort to raise me, essentially stole from me as soon as I had anything to steal tried to turn me into them, I could well have been a criminal. They didn't raise 6 children they had 6 children so they could get all the associated state support and I think I have contributed but that is probably offset by some of my siblings, who basically followed my parents model on parenting eg one sister has 7 kids by 7 fathers and they themselves have sprogged, not a job between them. You idealist lefty types really have do idea of the real world do you?
How could i possibly know anything about your family? Lol i don’t even know who you are… it seemed rude to assume the worst without your confirmation i was just trying to be polite
Thank you for clarifying… i am sorry that your parents were such horrible people and congratulate you on separating from them.
Thank you for clarifying… i am sorry that your parents were such horrible people and congratulate you on separating from them.
//…then raising 6 children would seem to be a contribution to society to me//
And I would strongly disagree. Over-population is the root cause of most of the world’s problems and it will ultimately cause far more damage to the planet than climate change ever will. Far from contributing to society, those with excessively large families are contributing to that damage and denuding the world of the resources it has. If the world’s leaders expended as much hot air on the problem of over-population as they do on climate change, we may be in with a shout of reversing some of the damage humans have caused to the planet. But they don’t because it is the elephant in the room.
//… people who choose to retire a few years early because they have the means to do so after decades of work are surely not harming anyone… but according to NJ’s dogmatic attitude they would be “freeloaders”!//
No they wouldn’t and I think you are being deliberately obtuse in order to muddy the waters. You will see in my first post in this thread I said “Many of them are not without jobs because there are none - they're without jobs because they can't be bothered to go to work.” So let’s be clear: the people I am referring to here are those of working age who could work and would need to work in order to sustain themselves and their families should the State not provide their every need, but instead choose not to do so. They do not include people who have retired early but can sustain themselves; they do not include those caring for others; they do not include students (though a separate argument exists as to whether so many people need to attend University – but that’s not for this thread).
Those whom you specifically mention – those who retire early – do not indeed harm anyone. On the contrary, if they have enough money to live on they will be paying tax and much of the money they spend will be subject to VAT and Excise duties as appropriate. The people I am referring to have no means of their own, are capable of work but decide it is more agreeable not to do so. If you really believe that few, if any people of that type exist, you may also be interested to learn that I hold the majority of the shares in London’s Tower Bridge and I would be more than willing to offer you some at a mutually agreeable price.
And I would strongly disagree. Over-population is the root cause of most of the world’s problems and it will ultimately cause far more damage to the planet than climate change ever will. Far from contributing to society, those with excessively large families are contributing to that damage and denuding the world of the resources it has. If the world’s leaders expended as much hot air on the problem of over-population as they do on climate change, we may be in with a shout of reversing some of the damage humans have caused to the planet. But they don’t because it is the elephant in the room.
//… people who choose to retire a few years early because they have the means to do so after decades of work are surely not harming anyone… but according to NJ’s dogmatic attitude they would be “freeloaders”!//
No they wouldn’t and I think you are being deliberately obtuse in order to muddy the waters. You will see in my first post in this thread I said “Many of them are not without jobs because there are none - they're without jobs because they can't be bothered to go to work.” So let’s be clear: the people I am referring to here are those of working age who could work and would need to work in order to sustain themselves and their families should the State not provide their every need, but instead choose not to do so. They do not include people who have retired early but can sustain themselves; they do not include those caring for others; they do not include students (though a separate argument exists as to whether so many people need to attend University – but that’s not for this thread).
Those whom you specifically mention – those who retire early – do not indeed harm anyone. On the contrary, if they have enough money to live on they will be paying tax and much of the money they spend will be subject to VAT and Excise duties as appropriate. The people I am referring to have no means of their own, are capable of work but decide it is more agreeable not to do so. If you really believe that few, if any people of that type exist, you may also be interested to learn that I hold the majority of the shares in London’s Tower Bridge and I would be more than willing to offer you some at a mutually agreeable price.
'Over-population is the root cause of most of the world’s problems and it will ultimately cause far more damage to the planet than climate change ever will'
Quite a few countries have a significant population decline which is predicted to continue:
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'The UN Population Division report of 2022 projects world population to continue growing after 2050, although at a steadily decreasing rate, to peak at 10.4 billion in 2086, and then to start a slow decline to about 10.3 billion in 2100 with a growth rate at that time of -0.1%.'
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Quite a few countries have a significant population decline which is predicted to continue:
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'The UN Population Division report of 2022 projects world population to continue growing after 2050, although at a steadily decreasing rate, to peak at 10.4 billion in 2086, and then to start a slow decline to about 10.3 billion in 2100 with a growth rate at that time of -0.1%.'
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//Quite a few countries have a significant population decline which is predicted to continue://
Good news, Zacs. Unfortunately the UK is not among the list of countries with a declining population. As well as that, the forecast of population decline is not exactly stunning. Before it peaks it will grow by another 25%.
Good news, Zacs. Unfortunately the UK is not among the list of countries with a declining population. As well as that, the forecast of population decline is not exactly stunning. Before it peaks it will grow by another 25%.
Indeed NJ, and what is a major contributory factor in that…….
‘ UK population growth over the next 10 years is projected to be driven by a net 2.2 million people migrating into the country’
Hallelujah for Brexit, eh. Sheesh.
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‘ UK population growth over the next 10 years is projected to be driven by a net 2.2 million people migrating into the country’
Hallelujah for Brexit, eh. Sheesh.
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