Surely This Is A Criminal Offence.

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/male-prison-guards-forcibly-stripped-incredibly-vulnerable-teenage-girl-inmate-report-13087524

If not it should be.

[barry1010]

Both men and women work at single sex prisons,OG.

[bednobs]

until proven otherwise, i would absolutely be on the side of the staff.

[CrapatCryptics2]

There are a number of restraint aids that can be used providing the proper steps are followed. Strait jackets are used very rarely used. A standard team of 3 officers is used for restraint with a senior officer supervising, many of these procedures are filmed. It should be remembered that some of these "vulnerable" prisoners can and do cause serious damage to staff and other prisoners. There is an officially approved method of restraint call C&R - control and restraint, which means that only the minimum necessary force needs to be used to quell the outbreak.

[youngmafbog]

Until I see the whole background to this I will reserve judgement other than to say this girl was a violent offender, she wasnt in there for hurty words.

 

[nicebloke1]

I doubt very much this is a criminal offence. I believe they have the right to restrain to protect her and themselves. However as we well know there are bad apples in all walks of life especially where theres a little power over others to be had. The police force have bad apples, the armed forces and of course the prison service. Its easy to sit back and see this incident as shocking and maybe even wrong? But its also easy to sit back and ignore the problem the prison service have had for a long time ( recruitment) no one wants this job and you can now see why. Who wants a job where the chances are you may get seriously hurt, a knife in the back or a iron bar over the head, and that risk is one you take on every shift you turn up to. When you have a recruitment problem in this area of power then you tend to take anyone thats willing to do the job, ( anyone) is where the problems begin. I guess in this case there was a shortage of female officers, for the reasons given above. The latter leaves the bad apples to take charge. Now the question is, do we want such teenages, who have really bad mental problems walking our streets, or accept that at the moment we have what prison staff we can get.

[douglas9401]

'Bad apples'? In what world do the facts as stated lead you to bestow then repeat that status?

[fender62]

why not use a tazer, repeat till she gets the hint, or tranquilizer Dart, thankless job.

[barry1010]

Are they allowed to use tasers?  The use of pava sprays in juvenile detention centres is still under discussion but I don't know the situation with tasers

[Mozz71]

You'd have thought that get her into suicide watch, until some qualified female staff member was available was available to be the better option.

[drmorgans]

 

But, and we don't know the circumstances, if she was actively trying to harm herself then waiting might not have been an option.

 

[barry1010]

Maybe it happened whilst she was on suicide watch

[Peter Pedant]

I believe they have the right to restrain to protect her and themselves.

no they have a duty to protect her and a right to protect themselves whilst carrying out their duties

I agree she wasnt there for shouty words, and had been violent towards any female staff who ( story 1 declined to attend hem hem for safety reasons hem hem) or ( story 2 , there were nt any)

so I thought it was justified for the men to do it.

The Children's commissioner ( who really can get the wrong end of the stick without trying) says it shows that she shouldna been in an all male YOI but SHOULD have been in a secure childrens unit ( o god) or a third place ( didnt catch the words)....

and THEN said - this incident coincides with my report published this very week  on young people (5000) and institutions and the way we need money .....

 

 

[Peter Pedant]

How can she use her clothes to kill herself if several men are holding her down?

Sheet. I think it is when they let go. rip the clothes into shreds and then 'hang'. anthing with a knob on will  do. Didnt shipman do that?

sedation who ever asked wd be deemed inappropriate ( = not the modern sense of upskirting or shouting at someone but the old one of not the correct course of action)

[barry1010]

I've already said that more than one person has managed to kill themselves using clothing when in bed with the bedclothes over their head, whilst on suicide watch.  

Big beefy men have died in prison, in custody blocks and on the street from being restrained