Sunak -V- Starmer Tv Debate

[naomi24]

ITV tonight

 

Your thoughts?

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hopefully to a proportional system where everybody could actually vote for the party they believe is best suited to the country

[naomi24]

Just an aside but Starmer reminds me of Kryten from Red Dwarf.  

[Deskdiary]

3.52pm - do you believe Starmer would not pay for private treatment if a close family member  was in pain that could quickly be alleviated privately?

[ToraToraTora]

16:02 I'm not a fan of PR because they only ever produce coalitions but in the light of the current situation and my NHS ramblings above, it might not be a bad Idea to force them to cooperate. ....Gawd I definately need a lie down!

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no. as i said, i think he was lying. i'm trying to agree with you deskdiary!

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labour and the tories simply are not capable of addressing the very serious problems this country has. they are political machines that exist to win elections and nothing else. a proportional system would be slow and frustrating and necessitate compromise. i am also convinced it would be an improvement on what we currently have, which is a lurch between two ineffectual parties about every 10-15 years. even large majorities have not guaranteed stability because this country is at root a badly governed place. the two parties have no real interest in changing that because to do so would challenge their power.

[Deskdiary]

4.09pm - mea culpa; apologies.

[gulliver1]

NJ 14.55 "The NHS is a complete and utter shambles"And you are  blaming Labour.You probably haven't noticed But the Cons are still todays government although they haven't governed for a long time now... They are too busy trying to Reserve a seat on the gravy train.

[jourdain2]

I also think Starmer was lying.  Who wouldn't want the very best, the quickest possible medical help for a loved one? Sadly this is no longer the NHS - as I have recent experience to act as testimony.

There is the point that if Starmer ( who is fairly wealthy) did not pay for private treatment, his loved one would be extending the queue for others - when he could have shortened it.

 

[Deskdiary]

Yes, that was definitely an own goal Jourdain. Nobody, with even a flicker of a modicum of common sense, would believe he wouldn't pay for private treatment.

 

He's not in the same wealth bracket as Sunak, but I've heard he's worth a few million, so him saying he would not go private is just simply not believable...or in other words a lie. I know all politicians are liars, but can we trust somebody who blatantly lies on national TV to that extent? I think not.

 

Frankly, they all as bad as each other, which is why I have made the conscious decision not to bother voting.

[Deskdiary]

I am quite looking forward to the council house *** being destroyed on Friday.

[Deskdiary]

I had no idea s.k.a.n.k would be censored! Ironically, by nanny censoring the word and replacing it with four asterisks, it could have been considered worse! 

[davebro3]

//There is the point that if Starmer ( who is fairly wealthy) did not pay for private treatment, his loved one would be extending the queue for others - when he could have shortened it.//

I'm not sure that's true - doctors providing private treatments often also work in the NHS, so in some cases going private is simply jumping the queue not shortening it. (I may be wrong)

[New Judge]

"NJ 14.55 "The NHS is a complete and utter shambles"And you are  blaming Labour."

I don't normally respond to your ramblings, gully, but if you read what my post actually says rather than what you think it says., you will see I blamed nobody for the state of the NHS.

This is one of the main reasons why I generally ignore your posts.

[newmodarmy]

//I'm not sure that's true - doctors providing private treatments often also work in the NHS, so in some cases going private is simply jumping the queue not shortening it. (I may be wrong)//

I'm not sure, davebro. You may be right up to a point, but doctors do private work in their spare time, working part time for NHS and part time privately. The private work pays better. If the private work fell they might decide to 'have a day off' rather than ask to increase their NHS hours. Also, private hsopitals provide beds and equipment; if the patient chooses to use NHS there may be no bed in the NHS hospital