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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/arti cle-1040370/Antigua-PM-blames-Britain-crimewav e.html
Oh! so it is all the White Brit's fault once again.
First for shipping them from Africa to the Caribbean.
Then later offering them work and accomodation in the UK.
Now the latest, for having the cheek to send the criminals amongst them back to the Caribbean, so as to murder our young honeymoon couples.
Damned racist of us.
Oh! so it is all the White Brit's fault once again.
First for shipping them from Africa to the Caribbean.
Then later offering them work and accomodation in the UK.
Now the latest, for having the cheek to send the criminals amongst them back to the Caribbean, so as to murder our young honeymoon couples.
Damned racist of us.
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Not really thought this one out have we Jake, but then that is not unusual. Please operate your brain before putting your fingers anywhere near your key board.
If they are British citizens, then we cannot send them back, and If they return of their own free will, then what do you suggest we do, stop them from leaving?
If they are British citizens, then we cannot send them back, and If they return of their own free will, then what do you suggest we do, stop them from leaving?
Something to keep in mind with all "racially-sensitive" issues is to wait patiently, very patiently, until the facts emerge. When it is unequivocally established that most knife crime, most gun crime, the murder in the Caribbean, etc, were caused by white people, then well and good.
In the meantime, it's not a colour thing, it's just fuc--d up human beings. Propaganda will never change the actual situation, but it may well blind its readers to the point of dumb acceptance. Propaganda can override truth, and mostly it is based on race and/or religion.
In the meantime, it's not a colour thing, it's just fuc--d up human beings. Propaganda will never change the actual situation, but it may well blind its readers to the point of dumb acceptance. Propaganda can override truth, and mostly it is based on race and/or religion.
If this story is true, the Antiguan PM has, quite frankly, got a bloody cheek. He knows he has serious problems with gun crime in his little corner of paradise, and is desperately trying to score a few political points by shifting the blame on to someone else (in this case, the UK). A person's country of residence doesn't turn them into criminals, they do that themselves.
Just a thought - how does the Antiguan PM know that the perpetrator of this awful crime lived in the UK, unless he knows his identity (in which case, I suggest he tells the officer in charge of the investigation as soon as possible)?
Just a thought - how does the Antiguan PM know that the perpetrator of this awful crime lived in the UK, unless he knows his identity (in which case, I suggest he tells the officer in charge of the investigation as soon as possible)?
Hooray - it's 'Bash The Blacks' day again.
Only seems like yesterday since the last BTB day.
Oh wait...it was yesterday!
This is a stupid thread derived from a stupid comment by a politician.
However, I think we should save this thread and link to the Daily Mail the next time anyone complains that "we don't send criminals back to their native country".
This thread patently proves that we do.
Only seems like yesterday since the last BTB day.
Oh wait...it was yesterday!
This is a stupid thread derived from a stupid comment by a politician.
However, I think we should save this thread and link to the Daily Mail the next time anyone complains that "we don't send criminals back to their native country".
This thread patently proves that we do.
I cannot see where you are coming from sp1814.
This is a stupid thread derived from a stupid comment by a politician.
Why is this a stupid thread? The allegation has been made against the Whites and it needs addressing. I am sure the Blacks would soon jump in with their cry of racist sack him, if they had been so accused, by a White politician.
However, I think we should save this thread and link to the Daily Mail the next time anyone complains that "we don't send criminals back to their native country".
In some case we do, if of course they are not British Nationals The reason people complain that we don't send them back to their native country, is when the excuse is used that its an infringement of their Human Rights or that they are in danger of torture etc.
I will say this once more, if these criminals are of West Indian decent, or whatever, but are British citizens, then they cannot be sent back. Neither can they be forced to stay here, unless they are locked up of course.
This is a stupid thread derived from a stupid comment by a politician.
Why is this a stupid thread? The allegation has been made against the Whites and it needs addressing. I am sure the Blacks would soon jump in with their cry of racist sack him, if they had been so accused, by a White politician.
However, I think we should save this thread and link to the Daily Mail the next time anyone complains that "we don't send criminals back to their native country".
In some case we do, if of course they are not British Nationals The reason people complain that we don't send them back to their native country, is when the excuse is used that its an infringement of their Human Rights or that they are in danger of torture etc.
I will say this once more, if these criminals are of West Indian decent, or whatever, but are British citizens, then they cannot be sent back. Neither can they be forced to stay here, unless they are locked up of course.
AOG
I challenge you to find where Baldwin Spencer singles out white Britain for blame.
Would you not agree that Britain has a serious crime problem in the inner cities at the moment?
If you do, then there is a logic to what he says.
I don't think he's helping matters by saying it, but freedom of speech and all that...
Secondly, you dismiss slavery with a wave of the hand.
That's a bit astonishing...
Thirdly, during the early fifties, British companies actually went out to the Caribbean advertising their jobs to West Indians. They didn't do it as a charitable act, or for pure altruism - they did it because there was a serious labour shortage after the war.
Then once here, young black men were assigned the very worse housing (run by slum landlords) and then subjected to casual racism day to day.
These aren't opinions...they're facts.
It's unpleasant to think this...but white Britons of the last century were not only brave in standing up against Hitler, resourceful in the development of new technologies...but also have a streak of rottenness in them in terms of the way they dealth with black people.
It's no use trying to imagine that everything white Britons did with regards to other races was honourable.
Just looking at Suez is enough to make you cringe with embarrassment.
I challenge you to find where Baldwin Spencer singles out white Britain for blame.
Would you not agree that Britain has a serious crime problem in the inner cities at the moment?
If you do, then there is a logic to what he says.
I don't think he's helping matters by saying it, but freedom of speech and all that...
Secondly, you dismiss slavery with a wave of the hand.
That's a bit astonishing...
Thirdly, during the early fifties, British companies actually went out to the Caribbean advertising their jobs to West Indians. They didn't do it as a charitable act, or for pure altruism - they did it because there was a serious labour shortage after the war.
Then once here, young black men were assigned the very worse housing (run by slum landlords) and then subjected to casual racism day to day.
These aren't opinions...they're facts.
It's unpleasant to think this...but white Britons of the last century were not only brave in standing up against Hitler, resourceful in the development of new technologies...but also have a streak of rottenness in them in terms of the way they dealth with black people.
It's no use trying to imagine that everything white Britons did with regards to other races was honourable.
Just looking at Suez is enough to make you cringe with embarrassment.
Baldwin Spencer criticised the UK for deporting convicted criminals to Antigua.
He said the deportees had 'developed' as criminals after going to Britain and the U.S.then had been returned to the Caribbean.
Let's go through this again shall we?
By critiicising the UK , (and since the UK is still predominantly White), I think we can take it as said, that he was referring to Whites. If you really want to nitpick, he also accused the the US as well, but I think we know where he was coming from.
How many criminals have we deported to Antigua, I suspect none. If he is the Prime Minister, perhaps his Police are also not too bright. No wonder he has had to call in the British Police, do hope the British tax payers are not picking up the tab for this as usual.
Yes I do agree that Britain has a serious crime problem in the inner cities, but just like in Antigua, mainly committed by Blacks. But I can't ever see Black Britains, Black Carribeans or Black Africans for that matter, cringing with embarrassment over this fact.
I myself, am still waiting to cringe with embarrassment over Suez, perhaps you can enlighten me?
He said the deportees had 'developed' as criminals after going to Britain and the U.S.then had been returned to the Caribbean.
Let's go through this again shall we?
By critiicising the UK , (and since the UK is still predominantly White), I think we can take it as said, that he was referring to Whites. If you really want to nitpick, he also accused the the US as well, but I think we know where he was coming from.
How many criminals have we deported to Antigua, I suspect none. If he is the Prime Minister, perhaps his Police are also not too bright. No wonder he has had to call in the British Police, do hope the British tax payers are not picking up the tab for this as usual.
Yes I do agree that Britain has a serious crime problem in the inner cities, but just like in Antigua, mainly committed by Blacks. But I can't ever see Black Britains, Black Carribeans or Black Africans for that matter, cringing with embarrassment over this fact.
I myself, am still waiting to cringe with embarrassment over Suez, perhaps you can enlighten me?
You're one of those people, AOG (and don't worry, there are loads of Daily Mail readers who operate under the same misconception) that think that law-abiding black people have a moral responsibility to publicly decry the actions of black criminals. Same with Muslims.
Why is this? I know that you're obsessed to the point of physical arousal with race, but it may surprise you to learn that others aren't.
Black people have no more obligation to be embarrassed by their 'fellow blacks (or 'Blacks' as you like to write it) than you are to bemoan the actions of white paedophiles or the white executives who defrauded Enron. Are you shamed by your race when you read these stories? I've not heard you pipe up about it. Is that cowardice?
I'm not sure I agree that every demographic group needs to express shame at the actions of others within that group.
Medics have no need to slate the behaviour of the McCanns (both doctors), Bradford City fans have no need to distance themselves from fellow supporter Peter Sutcliffe and you don't have to publicly put down Nazi war criminals even though they, like you, are hate-filled geriatrics.
Life isn't that tribal. No need to put everyone in groups, even though your little mind no doubt finds it easier when they share a skin colour.
Why is this? I know that you're obsessed to the point of physical arousal with race, but it may surprise you to learn that others aren't.
Black people have no more obligation to be embarrassed by their 'fellow blacks (or 'Blacks' as you like to write it) than you are to bemoan the actions of white paedophiles or the white executives who defrauded Enron. Are you shamed by your race when you read these stories? I've not heard you pipe up about it. Is that cowardice?
I'm not sure I agree that every demographic group needs to express shame at the actions of others within that group.
Medics have no need to slate the behaviour of the McCanns (both doctors), Bradford City fans have no need to distance themselves from fellow supporter Peter Sutcliffe and you don't have to publicly put down Nazi war criminals even though they, like you, are hate-filled geriatrics.
Life isn't that tribal. No need to put everyone in groups, even though your little mind no doubt finds it easier when they share a skin colour.
No, there may not be such a need, Quinlad.
So perhaps you could help me understand why there is a need for:
- The Association of Black Police Officers (with no "white" equivalent);
- The Muslim Council of Great Britain (with no "Christian" equivalent);
- Prizes for Music of a Black Origin (when no prizes are presented or would be permitted for its white equivalent);
- The Association of Black Lawyers (with no �white� equivalent);
- Operation Black Vote (with no �Operation White Vote�)
I could go on, but I imagine you�ve got my drift.
As I don�t believe any of these organisations was started up by white/Christian people, black and Muslim people have obviously seen a need to �tribalise� themselves by the formation of these societies. But theoldgit is castigated for following their lead. Why so?
So perhaps you could help me understand why there is a need for:
- The Association of Black Police Officers (with no "white" equivalent);
- The Muslim Council of Great Britain (with no "Christian" equivalent);
- Prizes for Music of a Black Origin (when no prizes are presented or would be permitted for its white equivalent);
- The Association of Black Lawyers (with no �white� equivalent);
- Operation Black Vote (with no �Operation White Vote�)
I could go on, but I imagine you�ve got my drift.
As I don�t believe any of these organisations was started up by white/Christian people, black and Muslim people have obviously seen a need to �tribalise� themselves by the formation of these societies. But theoldgit is castigated for following their lead. Why so?
New Judge
I'm shocked and disappointed by the heroic levels of misunderstanding in your post.
Your posts are normally extremely well thought out and factually robust.
This is a no-brainer.
The Associate Of Black Policemen was set up to encourage more recruitment from ethnic minorities. I'm sure you may have read bits and pieces about the problems with casual racism and the canteen culture in the police.
With those two things in mind, don't you think the set up of the association was a bad thing???
Are you absolutely sure there are no Christian societies left in Britain?
I seem to keep hearing about the Church Of England in the press. Don't know what they do exactly, and their attendances are falling, but I'm pretty sure the CofE is still pretty much a force to be reckoned with.
I'm shocked and disappointed by the heroic levels of misunderstanding in your post.
Your posts are normally extremely well thought out and factually robust.
This is a no-brainer.
The Associate Of Black Policemen was set up to encourage more recruitment from ethnic minorities. I'm sure you may have read bits and pieces about the problems with casual racism and the canteen culture in the police.
With those two things in mind, don't you think the set up of the association was a bad thing???
Are you absolutely sure there are no Christian societies left in Britain?
I seem to keep hearing about the Church Of England in the press. Don't know what they do exactly, and their attendances are falling, but I'm pretty sure the CofE is still pretty much a force to be reckoned with.
I too could go on, but here's the real stumper.
None of these organisations is openly racist. I challenge you to find any evidence that any of them openly ban whites from joining.
Unlike the BNP.
None of these associations will ever have an undue impact on non-members, but the BNP is a white supremacist party who actually want to create a two-tier society.
Black people are castigated for grouping together to fight against injustices, and then criticised by a small minority of white people because 'it's all so unfair'.
White working, physically able, straight males should really learn to complain less.
Finally, if you really don't think there's a need for all those associations, would you also agree that racism and the effects of it no longer exist in the UK?
Truly jaw dropping.
None of these organisations is openly racist. I challenge you to find any evidence that any of them openly ban whites from joining.
Unlike the BNP.
None of these associations will ever have an undue impact on non-members, but the BNP is a white supremacist party who actually want to create a two-tier society.
Black people are castigated for grouping together to fight against injustices, and then criticised by a small minority of white people because 'it's all so unfair'.
White working, physically able, straight males should really learn to complain less.
Finally, if you really don't think there's a need for all those associations, would you also agree that racism and the effects of it no longer exist in the UK?
Truly jaw dropping.
And surely New Judge you can see the difference. You're usually one of the smarter ones.
Establishing a special interest group to campaign against a specific inequality - eg, institutional discrimination against black employees in a given profession - is not the same as volunteering to be the moral mouthpiece of that demographic group.
Liverpool supporters have set up a Fans Federation, a group that protects the interests of their fans, especially away from home when faced with over-zealous policing. By your rationale, Liverpool supporters should then feel obliged to denounce the actions of, say, Liverpool-supporting joy-riders. After all, you can't safe-guard your interests and then not be lumped together for perpetuity can you?
Incidentally, the Mobo awards are often given to white people. Joss Stone (a white soul singer) springs to mind. The award celebrates music (not musical artists) of black origin. Citing that as discrimination is pure semantics. They're certainly less discriminatory than the World Country Music Awards.
The closest you come to a fair point is mentioning the Muslim Council of Great Britain, who do set themselves up as a general society for Muslims. Unfortunately, they frequently speak out against terrorism and fundamentalism.
Establishing a special interest group to campaign against a specific inequality - eg, institutional discrimination against black employees in a given profession - is not the same as volunteering to be the moral mouthpiece of that demographic group.
Liverpool supporters have set up a Fans Federation, a group that protects the interests of their fans, especially away from home when faced with over-zealous policing. By your rationale, Liverpool supporters should then feel obliged to denounce the actions of, say, Liverpool-supporting joy-riders. After all, you can't safe-guard your interests and then not be lumped together for perpetuity can you?
Incidentally, the Mobo awards are often given to white people. Joss Stone (a white soul singer) springs to mind. The award celebrates music (not musical artists) of black origin. Citing that as discrimination is pure semantics. They're certainly less discriminatory than the World Country Music Awards.
The closest you come to a fair point is mentioning the Muslim Council of Great Britain, who do set themselves up as a general society for Muslims. Unfortunately, they frequently speak out against terrorism and fundamentalism.
Quinlad makes a very valid point about the MOBOs.
It's going to come up again this year, along the lines of "It's racist because there's no MOWO award shows".
There are - the Kerrang awards spring to mind. No black act has ever been nominated for a Kerrang award, but the MOBOs?
The Streets
Pussycat Dolls
Lady Sovereign
Tim Westwood
Eminem
Joss Stone
Amy Winehouse
Norah Jones
Bebel Gilberto
Can we finally, finally put this one to bed?!??
Can we
It's going to come up again this year, along the lines of "It's racist because there's no MOWO award shows".
There are - the Kerrang awards spring to mind. No black act has ever been nominated for a Kerrang award, but the MOBOs?
The Streets
Pussycat Dolls
Lady Sovereign
Tim Westwood
Eminem
Joss Stone
Amy Winehouse
Norah Jones
Bebel Gilberto
Can we finally, finally put this one to bed?!??
Can we
I said nothing about any of them being racist.
My point is quite simple and totally unrelated to anything you have both said.
the oldgit was castigated for "tribalising" people because of their skin colour. Yet the organisations I cited do precisely that.
But, of course, their motives are quite different, more valid (in your view) and therefore quite acceptable.
My point is quite simple and totally unrelated to anything you have both said.
the oldgit was castigated for "tribalising" people because of their skin colour. Yet the organisations I cited do precisely that.
But, of course, their motives are quite different, more valid (in your view) and therefore quite acceptable.
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