Cleanliness in hospitals

[legend.isgod]

Just heard that as of 3rd january that if hospital staff are caught not washing their hands after going to the loo they will be sacked in a zero tolerance move to cut down on infection.

Is this true ?
And if so do you think its a good ideA?

I FOR ONE THINK ITS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THEIR JOB AND IF THEY ARE SO CARELESS ABOUT HYGIENE THEN MAYBE THEYRE NOT THE RIGHT PERSON TO BE WORKING WITH SICK PEOPLE

[legend.isgod]

Sorry meant to add thats in scotland.

[Bbbananas]

I agree with you entirely.
How will they know though - will there be cameras fitted & monitored in the loos?

[danchip]

i know how these bugs are still being passed around,

doctor/nurse walks into room washes hands examines patient, gets pen out of pocket writes notes and puts pen back in pocket.

all of the bugs going round the hospitals are being passed on by them using pens!

[madboutcats]

Maybe a little bit harsh on instant sacking, a warning first yes, but yes i do agree its very important hygiene in hospitals, i used to work in a kitchen and when id been to the loo id away wash my hands in the sink in the toilets then go in the kitchen and was my hands again as you'd never know who'd touched the door into the toilets before you.

[logic]

Makes no difference where it is leg, A lot of us go to Scottyland for our holidays, and we should expect the same conditions everywhere,
although my experience of Scottish hospitals, well to be exact Hospital, ( Raigmore inverness ) they were miles in front of England from a care point of view.




friendliness was a different matter,

[123everton]

Simple solution is to place the sinks outside the toilets in the corridor.
Yes it is right.

[naomi24]

Yes, they should be sacked.

Good idea Everton. I couldn't agree more.

[pastafreak]

Another solution is to lock them in the toilets until they wash their hands........well-it's a thought.

Of course-there should be hand sanatiser placed in every ward,and staff should each have one.

[legend.isgod]

heres a wee game if youre visiting a hospital for whatever reason

if youre bored

sit outside a ward and count how many visitors and staff actually clean their hands with the bagterial gel stuff

youll be shocked



similarly when i worked in a pub

how many folk come out the toilet and then wash their hands?

this does remind me of the survey a few months ago saying womens hands harbour thousands more germs than mens !!!

[LoftyLottie]

Everton's idea is excellent - with perhaps the addition of CCTV focused on the external door area and the handwash sink.

As yes instant sacking, because it could mean life or death for some patients.

[fraggle08]

i see the idea but i think it misses the point.
Even if every single nurse and doctor washed their hands religiously all the time (which I'm sure most do anyway!), relatives visiting could be carrying all sorts of bugs and nasties, if not inside their bodies then on their shoes, bags, clothes etc.
for me, the core issue is the penny-pinching politicians whose budgets force NHS procurement teams to employ cheap contract cleaners that couldn't care less?!

[LoftyLottie]

'external loo door area'

[pastafreak]

Mmmm....and supposedly your keyboard has more germs on it than a loo seat.......eeuuwww!

Trouble is-people think that not washing their hands once or twice makes little difference......but multiply that......

[legend.isgod]

scottish hospitals have handwash geloutside the wards

everyone is supposed to use them

obviously we cant live in atotally sanitise dworld.
but if youre employed to care for patients then wash your bloody hands

its disgusting nevermind unhygenic.

[LoftyLottie]

Our local hospital) has gel at every entrance to every ward, gel at patients bedside and the staff also carry gel on the trolleys. Staff and visitors are reminded to use the gel and, as a visitor, you have to ring a bell for entry to each ward.

I have watched their cleaning routines over the last year or two and it really is excellent - not a corner missed. So some hospitals have already got excellent routines in action.

The trouble is, you can only remind people, but it's really hard to enforce.

[naomi24]

It's not just hand-washing - it's a decline in the standard of hygiene generally, cut-backs on the number of staff employed to do the job, and a failure to use proper disinfectant. Despite what we're told, visitors don't bring the infections in - that's an excuse. Private hospitals have visitors too, and they don't experience the same high infection rates because they employ the necessary number of staff, they train them properly - and they use the right products for the job.

[gelda]

And nurses should be stopped from wearing their uniforms outside the hospital, a nurse once told me that when she first started nursing they had to remove their uniforms at the end of a shift and they were supplied with fresh ones at the beggining of their new shift.