Should these vigilantes be allowed?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....ons-defy-rioters.html

The police may not be appearing to take a positive approach to the problem of these mobs on our streets, but should vigilante groups be allowed, brandishing their illegal weapons?

How long would the police tolerate bands of other vigilantes to stand guard outside their premises carrying shot guns or even air weapons?

In a ITV report it stated,

/// Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Kavanagh, from the Metropolitan Police, said they were not helping matters.///

/// He said: "What I don't need is these so-called vigilantes, who appeared to have been drinking too much and taking policing resources away from what they should have been doing - which is preventing the looting." ///

[whiskeryron]

Quite so jth.
I'm beginning to wonder if AOG is an agent provocateur placed on A/B in order to stir up controversy & elicit as many replies as possible.

Ron.

[anotheoldgit]

Wrongn3mber

Wrongn3mber

/// so where were 'they' (EDL) when the riots were at their peak, when they were needed in Croydon, Clapham, Brixton or Ealing amongst other places? ///

So what are you suggesting, that the EDL were actually needed in Croydon, Clapham, Brixton or Ealing as well as in other places?

They just cannot win, when they are 'hiding in their pubs shouting racial expletives and shaking their fists at the tv' (your words) you are not happy, but you want them to take to the streets?

While they are otherwise occupied, surely it is much better than them out on the streets wielding weapons etc?.

[Gromit]

AOG

There is a suspicion that when the riots were going on, our brave defenders were watching it on the telly like everyone else. Then their planning the next day seemed to be to get fuelled up in the pub all day until they became a nuisance that took precious policing resources to quell.

[Wrongn3mber]

Aog, I'm not suggesting anything as I haven't named myself with a moniker that signifies that I'm in the business of defending this country as the edl have done and have not lived up to their word. I'm merely asking if the edl's business is defending England then why wasn't they? All I seen were drunken middleaged men running through the streets cheering as if they had won some kind of battle.

[Wrongn3mber]

Tbh after this shambles the edl should strip themselves of this title as it is far from accurate and gives the wrong image.

[andy-hughes]

No no Wrongnumber - you are entirely missing the point here.

The EDL don't become involved if mobs are looting and rioting - they see that as the total right of the English people.

No - their remit is to pick on people who move to this country, settle down, raise a family, and may, as indeed do their English neighbours, require occasional help from the state, to which they will be more than willing to contribute when they find employment.

If such people have the helpful knack of having brown skin and Muslim faith, which makes them far more easy to target, then so much the better.

That is what the EDL is for - hope that's cleared up any misunderstanding.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

I expected better from you Andy.

/// If such people have the helpful knack of having brown skin and Muslim faith, which makes them far more easy to target, then so much the better.///

What if they happen to have black skins Andy?

But then it is only the rise of Islam that the EDL seem to be bothered about, and since the terrorist threat we have in this country, comes in the name of Islam one cannot blame their stance.

The trouble in this country is the fact that some groups are allowed to protest against their own particular concerns, whereas others are not.

It would seem by this introduction of the EDL into this thread, certain ABers are more concerned in attacking them than the 'knuckle draggers' that have taken to the streets and partially destroyed our cities.

Save the attacks on the EDL for the appropriate time, or when they commit such crimes as we have seen committed since last weekend.

That is unless you can present evidence that they are also killing, looting, carrying out acts of arson, or attacking our police.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - the next sound you will hear is the Irony Klaxon -

AWOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

[Gromit]

// That is unless you can present evidence that they are also ... attacking our police. //

Well, yes they are.

// // Riot police were hit with missiles including bottles as more than 1,000 officers battled with dozens of middle-aged men on the streets Eltham, south-east London.
Witnesses reported that many of the 200 men were chanting in support of the English Defence League, the controversial Right-wing group. //

http://www.telegraph....police-in-Eltham.html

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

Yes I now have, answer in your other question.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Last night hundreds of police from eight separate forces tried to restore calm from the mainly white men. ///

Interesting since they were unable to restore order from mainly black men, it seems.

[Gromit]

AOG

In Manchester it was mainly white men (boys).

http://i.dailymail.co...00578-763_964x617.jpg

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

/// In just the same way that I wouldn't condemn a group of OAPs armed with cricket bats, croquet mallets or machetes who chose to stand guard outside their social club..... ///

Or perhaps a line of Policemen with just simple batons maybe?

Try to cross our lines and we will give you what for, agree?

[anotheoldgit]

whiskeryron

I do not use provocation methods, nether am I an Agent to anyone.

I am an individual that has a mind of my own, and not prepared to follow the flock.

As I have said countless times AB is just a leisure pursuit of mine, and I try and post threads, that are likely to attract enjoyable debate.

But others are only interested in introducing diversions from the original question, correcting typing errors or mistakes in English, associating me with things I have not said, accusing me of issuing insults, which they themselves consider it is perfectly correct for them to take part in first.

If it is provokers you are looking for, take a closer look Ron there are many on this site that make me look a beginner.





I'm beginning to wonder if AOG is an agent provocateur placed on A/B in order to stir up controversy & elicit as many replies as possible.

[jackthehat]

Of course.........what is your point?

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

The point being jack, is the fact that there are many hypocrites on this site.

Before these riots, the 'Liberal Left' were decrying the police at every opportunity, yet now they are clambering to support them.

Couldn't be that they are becoming to believe that the 'Right' have all the Right ideas?

Most likely they would also preform a 'U'-turn with the attitude they show against our Armed Forces, if they also found they needed their help or protection.

[Gromit]

// AOG

Since the cuts to the police were announced in the budget after the election last year, I have been saying they should not happen.

// Gromit
I predict a riot!

Howe's March '81 austerity budget was followed soon after by riots in Brixton, Leeds, Leeds, Moss Side and Toxteth.

Better not cut Police jobs just yet...
18:43 Tue 22nd Jun 2010 //

I have not made a U-Turn, I have been against the police cuts all along, but you are about to see a rapid U-Turn from this shambles of a Government.