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Has God’s Purpose for Mankind Failed?
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Is God's purpose for mankind the conversion of the world to the so-called Christian religions? That is what the majority of the sects of Christendom teach.
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Russell predicted the end of the world in 1914, then 1918. Rutherford predicted the resurrection of the patriarchs in 1925 and built a nice house for them in which he was forced to spend a lonely existence himself. Later Knorr and Franz predicted the 1975 was the date. "Ye are of your father the devil...ye follow the lusts of your father...there is no truth in him... he is a liar and the father of lies". John 8:44.
And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him Deut 18:21-22
When a prophet claim to speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow, or comes to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken either, but the prophet hath happened to get lucky stating that for which there was no reasonable evidence which happened to occur: thou shalt not be afraid of him either.
My commentary on the JW missives that are not even properly acknowledged by their spokesman is summed up by these verses.
http://bible.cc/matthew/7-15.htm
As to the joke, yes I half remember one along those lines...... - just got it.
Catholic father/Protestant minister/Muslim Iman and a Rabbi discussing how they divide the proceeds of the collection plate after their Shabbat services.
Catholic: "I lay a cross down on the Chapter floor and take the offerings plate and throw the money in the air - what lands on the left side of the cross, I keep and that on the right goes to God."
Minister: "We do a similar thing - I too lay a cross down on the Chapter floor and take the offerings plate and throw the money in the air - what lands on the short side of the cross, I keep and that on the long goes to God."
Muslim: "We do something similar too but we use an Islamic circle. what lands in the centre of the circle, I keep, and that on the outside goes to Allah, God bless him."
The Rabbi - "I just take the offerings plate and throw the money in the air - and what God catches, he keeps."
http://bible.cc/matthew/7-15.htm
As to the joke, yes I half remember one along those lines...... - just got it.
Catholic father/Protestant minister/Muslim Iman and a Rabbi discussing how they divide the proceeds of the collection plate after their Shabbat services.
Catholic: "I lay a cross down on the Chapter floor and take the offerings plate and throw the money in the air - what lands on the left side of the cross, I keep and that on the right goes to God."
Minister: "We do a similar thing - I too lay a cross down on the Chapter floor and take the offerings plate and throw the money in the air - what lands on the short side of the cross, I keep and that on the long goes to God."
Muslim: "We do something similar too but we use an Islamic circle. what lands in the centre of the circle, I keep, and that on the outside goes to Allah, God bless him."
The Rabbi - "I just take the offerings plate and throw the money in the air - and what God catches, he keeps."
<< is there some sort of credit system that brings you increased status in the "organisation"?>>
Yes, there is, DT. Every JW keeps a time-sheet saying how many hours a day they spend "witnessing to the truth" and hands them in to the local Kingdom Hall recording angel. There will be league tables of these "good works". So all of his AB correspondence will be logged and go on the credit side of the Goodlife ledger.
What I don't get, however, is how the Watchtower business model works in the internet age. The model was invented by C. T. Russell. They (I mean the "governing body") make their money through publishing. The costs of production are very low as the printing presses are manned by devotees working for a pittance, and the distribution cost, transport aside, are zero as they have 7 million (Google tells me) salesmen who work for nothing. These are the people on your door step selling the Watchtower and the Awake! (each produced, I think,fortnightly). In addition to the magazines they used to produce about two new book titles every year with garbled biblical exegesis. All this amounts to big money for the fat cats in America. My problem is this: how is Goodlife contributing to Watchtower profits if he does all his good work online? At some stage, in order to be really usefule, he's got to sell something.
Yes, there is, DT. Every JW keeps a time-sheet saying how many hours a day they spend "witnessing to the truth" and hands them in to the local Kingdom Hall recording angel. There will be league tables of these "good works". So all of his AB correspondence will be logged and go on the credit side of the Goodlife ledger.
What I don't get, however, is how the Watchtower business model works in the internet age. The model was invented by C. T. Russell. They (I mean the "governing body") make their money through publishing. The costs of production are very low as the printing presses are manned by devotees working for a pittance, and the distribution cost, transport aside, are zero as they have 7 million (Google tells me) salesmen who work for nothing. These are the people on your door step selling the Watchtower and the Awake! (each produced, I think,fortnightly). In addition to the magazines they used to produce about two new book titles every year with garbled biblical exegesis. All this amounts to big money for the fat cats in America. My problem is this: how is Goodlife contributing to Watchtower profits if he does all his good work online? At some stage, in order to be really usefule, he's got to sell something.
hi V-E ... those last couple of posts of yours, explaining the merit/reward system within the JW cult goes a long way toward explaining the dogmatic and repetitive postings which contain, time after time, despite repeated rebuttals, the same, tired, false strawmen about science and evolution - it also explains why such posters refuse to engage in debate or argument - they are closed to any alternative viewpoint and entirely focused on their brownie points. Pretty sad, really.
And what DT mentions is what really irritates me - despite comments and warnings from many of the participants here, these posters continue to copy and paste screeds from the WatchTower online archive, without attribution. Their response to a rebuttal or counter is (if they bother to respond at all to a point raised) to post yet another unattributed cut and paste.
They also all seem strangely reluctant to admit to being a JW - I find it ironic that the religious, those alleged arbiters of morality, become devious drones, mouthpieces for their brand of brainwashing........
And what DT mentions is what really irritates me - despite comments and warnings from many of the participants here, these posters continue to copy and paste screeds from the WatchTower online archive, without attribution. Their response to a rebuttal or counter is (if they bother to respond at all to a point raised) to post yet another unattributed cut and paste.
They also all seem strangely reluctant to admit to being a JW - I find it ironic that the religious, those alleged arbiters of morality, become devious drones, mouthpieces for their brand of brainwashing........
VE
Where on earth do you get your information from? You are way off line. If you go looking on apostate websites then you will get wrong information. For accurate information I would suggest you look at www.jw.org.
Jehovah’s witnesses DO NOT sell anything. Magazines, books, brochures even Bibles are without charge. Any service you may require is not charged.
You are obviously grouping Jehovah’s Witnesses with the other religions who charge for every little thing and also pass collection plates round. We have no collection plates. As for charity. We do donate to charity. In fact, we are a charity.
Unlike the religions whose members have to pay for every little service rendered by their leaders, Jehovah’s Witnesses make no charge. Weddings, funerals, etc are no charge. This is not an organisation out to make money.
For example, if the Greek Orthodox church were to donate their assets they would more than pay for the ever increasing debt that Greece has.
Lazygun
I do not copy & paste from online websites unless I post the link. My answers are taken from my own personal study material. If online website are posting what I have done, where are they getting their information? Obviously they are using “copy righted” material.
I have never denied my religion. I am proud to be a Jehovah’s Witness.
If I do not answer questions you and others put in your posts it is because I do not think they are worth answering. I am not here to ridicule and put down ABers for their comments, unlike the majority of you. My answers are for anyone who is really interested in knowing the truth. False religion is soon to be destroyed, the governments will turn on them and when that happens – there is no changing lanes you have chosen your route and that route leads to destruction.
This is all for now on this site for me. I have better things to do with people who are more interesting.
Where on earth do you get your information from? You are way off line. If you go looking on apostate websites then you will get wrong information. For accurate information I would suggest you look at www.jw.org.
Jehovah’s witnesses DO NOT sell anything. Magazines, books, brochures even Bibles are without charge. Any service you may require is not charged.
You are obviously grouping Jehovah’s Witnesses with the other religions who charge for every little thing and also pass collection plates round. We have no collection plates. As for charity. We do donate to charity. In fact, we are a charity.
Unlike the religions whose members have to pay for every little service rendered by their leaders, Jehovah’s Witnesses make no charge. Weddings, funerals, etc are no charge. This is not an organisation out to make money.
For example, if the Greek Orthodox church were to donate their assets they would more than pay for the ever increasing debt that Greece has.
Lazygun
I do not copy & paste from online websites unless I post the link. My answers are taken from my own personal study material. If online website are posting what I have done, where are they getting their information? Obviously they are using “copy righted” material.
I have never denied my religion. I am proud to be a Jehovah’s Witness.
If I do not answer questions you and others put in your posts it is because I do not think they are worth answering. I am not here to ridicule and put down ABers for their comments, unlike the majority of you. My answers are for anyone who is really interested in knowing the truth. False religion is soon to be destroyed, the governments will turn on them and when that happens – there is no changing lanes you have chosen your route and that route leads to destruction.
This is all for now on this site for me. I have better things to do with people who are more interesting.
@Goodlife
Even were it study material, it is not work of your own origin - most of your screed can be found on the official watchtower archive. It is convention that you attribute where you are copying from, or, better still, link to it instead, rather than shoving it here.
If you originate controversial postings on here, or posts that lecture or moralise or preach or offer a message to people reading the forum, it is arrogant of you to say that you will not defend your post, or refuse to engage with genuine argument. When you copy and paste that "evolution is only a theory" for instance, you are peddling falsehood and ignorance.Refusing to engage in the facts and science supporting evolution is equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears and humming "lalala" - in other words, childish.
You and yours peddle what you see as the Truth, refusing to engage and entertain those with a different point of view, and thats just propaganda.
Finally, it is only my opinion, but all religions are equally false - its just that some are more ridiculous than others.
I hope you enjoy your life with your like minded friends, and -please - dont let the door smack you in the ass on the way out :)
Even were it study material, it is not work of your own origin - most of your screed can be found on the official watchtower archive. It is convention that you attribute where you are copying from, or, better still, link to it instead, rather than shoving it here.
If you originate controversial postings on here, or posts that lecture or moralise or preach or offer a message to people reading the forum, it is arrogant of you to say that you will not defend your post, or refuse to engage with genuine argument. When you copy and paste that "evolution is only a theory" for instance, you are peddling falsehood and ignorance.Refusing to engage in the facts and science supporting evolution is equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears and humming "lalala" - in other words, childish.
You and yours peddle what you see as the Truth, refusing to engage and entertain those with a different point of view, and thats just propaganda.
Finally, it is only my opinion, but all religions are equally false - its just that some are more ridiculous than others.
I hope you enjoy your life with your like minded friends, and -please - dont let the door smack you in the ass on the way out :)
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