POLL ON SHARING OF DM.REWARDS CLUB NUMBERS

[johntywino]

I would be interested to know why you are carrying out a poll on the above,as I am one of the VERY FEW that use it?Will you next have a poll on whether or not to give the answers to crossword puzzles,in which the winner could win £1-2,000?,Or maybe even vote on whether or not ABers should be allowed to download recipes from the site? The list is endless.

[sir.prize]

TCL - you miss the point completely. Yes you quote the rule correctly. A User must purchase a copy of the Publication to be eligible to REGISTER a Unique Number.
The key word is REGISTER - note REGISTER. You REGISTER to be able to enter the competition. You need not buy a paper after that to add new numbers. That is obvious.

So what is the point you are trying to make?

[ABerrant]

TCL - you have clearly not read the T&Cs in full.

2. Definitions

"Publication" means the Daily Mail and/or The Mail on Sunday and includes their subsections and magazines but excludes foreign sales and non paid for copies, copies sold in the Republic of Ireland and online subscriptions.


Non paid for copies are excluded for eligibility.

[THECORBYLOON]

I may have missed the point, but as far as I understood it, folk seemed to be suggesting it was against the T & Cs to ask for a number on here. If as you have said "You need not buy a paper after that to add new numbers. That is obvious." what is the problem in folk asking for the number on here?

[THECORBYLOON]

Aberrant it says A publication, it does not say when that publication has to have been bought and paid for OR that the person using a unique number MUST have bought the publication in which the number appeared.

[factor-fiction]

I think there are two issues relevant to the poll,

1. Is it acceptable from a legal point of view? I don't think Ed should rely on our interpretations of the Ts and Cs. He needs to ask the Mail for their view. if they convince him it is against the Ts and Cs it's his call on whether to cease or continue
2. Do we want the site clogged up with these queries or do we want a separate section? That's something we can vote on

[craft1948]

It'll be even more fun soon as after the middle of September they are including numbers published every day...............

[ABerrant]

"Is it acceptable from a legal point of view?"

"Legality" is not an issue. AnswerBank's actions are not and can not be in breach of the T&Cs since no agreement to be bound by them has been formed. It is a matter of mutual respect between websites, both of which nominally set rules to be followed by their respective members.

Does AnswerBank expect the Rewards Club not to encourage/condone their members in coming here and to ignore/break the AB rules? If so, that expectation should be reciprocated.

If not, so be it. But that is an editorial decision which we are told is soon to be voiced.

[sir.prize]

ABerrant - 'Legality' may become an issue. You say
///AnswerBank's actions are not and can not be in breach of the T&Cs since no agreement to be bound by them has been formed.///
That may be so, but I would think that no agreements were made in this instance either but there were threats . . .
http://www.bananas.me.uk/

[vivandorron]

I am afraid to say any thing further in case the Ed says, " Ron ..Your numbers up with AB."

Ron.

[ABerrant]

sir.prize - there were threats of civil action against the owners of that website (Michael and Marina Chappell) and they chose to cave in on financial considerations - legality wasn't the issue, money was.

[factor-fiction]

Okay, I'll rephrase part of my answer.

I think there are two issues relevant to the poll,

1. Does the Ed feel there is a risk, and does he want to take the risk, that there may be threats of civil action from the Mail (or other action such as withdrawing advertising)? To me that's the Ed's call, perhaps in consultation with his/her legal advisers and possibly after consulting The Mail. I don't think there's anything more to be gained from us continuing to try to interpret the Mails T's and Cs.

2. Do we want the site clogged up with these queries or do we want a separate section? That's something we can vote on

[johntywino]

Well,well,well....I'm afraid I,m DEFINATELY not on Aberrant's side in this.As someone said, on checking with the DM there was no objections,as SOMEONE had bought the paper,so thats good enough for me! (Anyone got a spare set of todays numbers?) John