Genealogical research

[dotjhawkes]

Hi ABED, what about a topic for Genealogy? I am quite good at that subject and now that chatterbank has been away for a bit I am at a loose end. I have a Genealogical library in my house and I could be quite useful.

[jno]

you're very useful at it already dot, and seriously helpful. Why not set up in business? Might be even more interesting than shoes.

[PatriciaH]

Hi dot, you gave me a good "reading" of my surname a while ago now, which i found facinating , good idea of yours but....... you will probably be swamped by requests! would you have the time and patience for your "fans"?

[dotjhawkes]

I used to teach it but it is different now, people think they can get it done on the internet, but that is so dangerous, noone can imagine how many errors can be made.

[A Chill Wind]

It's an excellent idea, though the AB monks might bridle a little if too many personal details are given out. People & Places probably covers it, though I can see the merits of a separate section.

[dotjhawkes]

that is true ACW but at the moment things seem all over the place and it would be an idea to focus on one section as many of the solutions would be of use to alot of people.

[A Chill Wind]

It seems to take a while for new categories to appear on here, but come the next revamp I think your idea could be a goer. Perhaps some of the polls could be given over to whether certain features would work on AB, which would certainly make use of that particular facility.

[SteveD]

Do you have a database of inns and pubs? I am trying to find information on The Shoulder of Mutton Inn, High Street, Brough, Westmorland which seems to have closed around 1910 (last innkeeper was David Wilson).

[AB Editor]

Hi dotjhawkes

Thank you for the suggestion - we will keep it in our treasure trove of suggestions and keep in mind for future development.

AB Editor

[dotjhawkes]

Steve D, apart from checking the Inn in the 1901, 1891 and earlier census returns, you can check the Trade Directories for Brough In (probably) Kendal Library, which were occasional directories, similar to our Thompson, which were produced over a number of years during the mid 19thC to as late as the 1940s. You can find the occupants/licensees of Inns as this will have it's own catagory within the directories.

Another option is to check the records of Licenced Victuallers which would have been granted and these can be the early ones held at the Record Office up to later ones recorded in the Council minutes, which will be in printed vols, in the Main Library, again probably Kendal.

[dotjhawkes]

No I can't at the moment Elvis, but here is your family tree!

http://www.ancestry.com/landing/famoustrees/elvis_tree2.htm

[joko]

hi dot - good idea!

i've been trying for ages with my family tree, but most sites want joining fees but theres so many and theres no guarantee you will find anything.

I have an unusual case - my relative (female) was born at sea (naples) in 1860s, so don't know where to look.

and one of the main names is tombs - but because of superstition lots of people changed the spelling - toombs, toombes, tooms, tumbs, etc etc

there is also an american indian link there around the same sort of time so thats also a mystery (i think) as i don't think they kept very good records!

so you can see what i am up against!

perhaps we could swap skills? you do some searching for me and i can do some art work or proofreading for you?

[SteveD]

dotjhawkes: Thanks for the information. Unfortunately this is not so easy as I don't live in the UK. I'd love to find a photo of The Shoulder of Mutton - there's sure to be one somewhere as it, along with several other inns in Brough, was a coaching inn. It was on Main Street, not High Street as I mistakenly wrote.

10ClarionSt: I know from the various censuses that The Shoulder of Mutton was on Main Street, Brough: it no longer exists. Nearby, also on Main Street, was The Malt Shovel Inn which is now a private house.Thanks anyway.

[dotjhawkes]

Joko, At sea before 1964:

The National Archives
The Catalogue Records of births, marriages and deaths at sea from 1831 to 1958 are in RG 32 (indexed by RG 43).

An official registration system operated from 1851, and the registers created by this system are available in the returns made to the Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen - see BT 158, BT 159, BT 160, BT 334 and BT 341

These are held by The National Archives, and should cover all the events that were later transmitted to the various General Register Offices of England, Scotland and Ireland.

[dotjhawkes]

I am still thinking about the Shoulder of Mutton pic, I do know that with the introduction of postcards in the 1890s this might be one avenue of research, if you can locate someone in the World who collects pub postcards. Also, the local Westmoreland Gazette may have an article on the closure/ demolition etc of the building, this will be ion the local library, possibly Kirby Stephen but maybe and more likley Kendal.

[joko]

dot - many thanks for the info.

trouble is, we don't know the ships name, what sort of ship, where it sailed from, or to, - all we know is on her birth certficate it said "at sea, naples"

we know her parents names were thomas tooms and susannah whiteside - and we think they may have been americans - but not sure, they could have been british but went to live in america? or been on their way there, or back.

the record could be anywhere - couldn't it?? or is there a central worldwide database?

[dotjhawkes]

The birth would have been eventually registered with the Registrar General of the Country the ship was registered with. But on the certificate, if it does not say the name of the ship, look at the name of the informant.