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If We Are So Poor As A Nation
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how comes we can as usual find 30millions to throw away into some foreign cess pit ?
Total thrown away is now £170million (what % has been pocketed ?)
I bet some of these "rebels" are doing pretty well thankyou very much, with god knows how much stolen and stashed away
yet another example of the outrageous actions of a government who seem happy to put foreign citizens welfare above its own, in this case millions of which is to help the islamist "rebels".
how comes we can as usual find 30millions to throw away into some foreign cess pit ?
Total thrown away is now £170million (what % has been pocketed ?)
I bet some of these "rebels" are doing pretty well thankyou very much, with god knows how much stolen and stashed away
yet another example of the outrageous actions of a government who seem happy to put foreign citizens welfare above its own, in this case millions of which is to help the islamist "rebels".
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"/// I have yet to sit in this country and watch a baby die in her mother's arms because she can't be re-hydrated. ///
Perhaps they should not have so many children?"
Very possibly yes. But they do. And once that has happened, it's hardly the child(ren)'s fault that they ended up alive in a tough world. Do we then abandon the children to that fate and just stick to tut-tutting at the mothers? That smacks a little of, well, heartlessness.
Again, as I have said before, we ought to be careful about where the money ends up. That should not mean cutting it off entirely. Because the rich warlords still have the money, and the poor end up suffering yet harder.
Perhaps they should not have so many children?"
Very possibly yes. But they do. And once that has happened, it's hardly the child(ren)'s fault that they ended up alive in a tough world. Do we then abandon the children to that fate and just stick to tut-tutting at the mothers? That smacks a little of, well, heartlessness.
Again, as I have said before, we ought to be careful about where the money ends up. That should not mean cutting it off entirely. Because the rich warlords still have the money, and the poor end up suffering yet harder.
The point is you not quoting any sort of fact, your putting forward an opinion that is entirely invalid.
The vast majority have made contribution to our country, just because some abuse it doesn't make the rest "charity" cases. Or do you think that most people who are claiments are happy to be unemployed and live in poverty, especialy those who have workedll their lives and now find themselves labelled as scum.
I suggest before you pontificate you actulay check your f**^%$g facts
The vast majority have made contribution to our country, just because some abuse it doesn't make the rest "charity" cases. Or do you think that most people who are claiments are happy to be unemployed and live in poverty, especialy those who have workedll their lives and now find themselves labelled as scum.
I suggest before you pontificate you actulay check your f**^%$g facts
Here's a thought, dave. Why not look back through my posts and see how many times I have gone and attacked people on benefits? I spend half my time defending them because, while I have not any understanding of what it is like to live on benefits personally, I know that it's hard and that those on benefits are very unfairly attacked. By the present government, and by those who seem to think that all of our current problems were caused by a massive welfare state. It was not at all. And yet now those on benefits are suffering disproportionately.
I find it extraordinary that you are suddenly attacking me for something I never have said, or thought, or wrote. Where has this come from?! Charity begins at home, says baz, presumably thinking that this amount of foreign aid we give is somehow taking it away from the people who desperately need it in this country. No, I say, we give a lot of money to those in need already. Through the welfare state (no, perhaps technically it is not "charity" as such, but it is still money that could be taken away -- and may well be, the way the current government seems to be heading). And through the charities such as Barnardo's, NSPCC, Shelter and so on.
So where has this attack come from? I am trying to say that we can afford to be charitable to those from foreign countries as well as our own. Not one at the expense of the other. Either way round.
I find it extraordinary that you are suddenly attacking me for something I never have said, or thought, or wrote. Where has this come from?! Charity begins at home, says baz, presumably thinking that this amount of foreign aid we give is somehow taking it away from the people who desperately need it in this country. No, I say, we give a lot of money to those in need already. Through the welfare state (no, perhaps technically it is not "charity" as such, but it is still money that could be taken away -- and may well be, the way the current government seems to be heading). And through the charities such as Barnardo's, NSPCC, Shelter and so on.
So where has this attack come from? I am trying to say that we can afford to be charitable to those from foreign countries as well as our own. Not one at the expense of the other. Either way round.
What in fact is Africa's problem.
We have spent billions over many years but still matters do not improve, so perhaps instead of throwing money after money at the problem we should take on board what Africa's problem is?
If it means the recolonisation of Africa then so be it, because it is obvious those now in charge of Africa are not doing a very good job.
Just a thought and not a particular serious one, but I think you know where I am coming from?
We have spent billions over many years but still matters do not improve, so perhaps instead of throwing money after money at the problem we should take on board what Africa's problem is?
If it means the recolonisation of Africa then so be it, because it is obvious those now in charge of Africa are not doing a very good job.
Just a thought and not a particular serious one, but I think you know where I am coming from?
jim360
Perhaps they should not have so many children?"
/// Very possibly yes. But they do. And once that has happened, it's hardly the child(ren)'s fault that they ended up alive in a tough world. Do we then abandon the children to that fate and just stick to tut-tutting at the mothers? That smacks a little of, well, heartlessness. ///
To a certain extent you are right, but what I was actually suggesting that we should focus on educating these mothers into not having so many children, it is said the reason that they do have many is because of the high infant mortality rate, so we should be addressing that fact starting at the reason for this, while at the same time educating the mothers in the various methods of contraception, along with rewarding those who are successful in controlling the amount of children they have.
Perhaps they should not have so many children?"
/// Very possibly yes. But they do. And once that has happened, it's hardly the child(ren)'s fault that they ended up alive in a tough world. Do we then abandon the children to that fate and just stick to tut-tutting at the mothers? That smacks a little of, well, heartlessness. ///
To a certain extent you are right, but what I was actually suggesting that we should focus on educating these mothers into not having so many children, it is said the reason that they do have many is because of the high infant mortality rate, so we should be addressing that fact starting at the reason for this, while at the same time educating the mothers in the various methods of contraception, along with rewarding those who are successful in controlling the amount of children they have.
/Explain how that is "charity" of that 100bn over 50% is pensions, thats pensions have worked and paid for all their lives. /
Dave
pensions are not paid out from amassed contributions
as i'm sure you know, the state pension is a massive Ponzi scheme and today's pensioners can receive it because today's tax payers fund it
just as today's tax payers are also sending a tiny proportion to help Syrian civilians not freeze or starve to death
BTW
regarding other 'arab' nations
Jordan has turned itself inside out to look after thousands of Syrian refugees
Ditto Turkey
Dave
pensions are not paid out from amassed contributions
as i'm sure you know, the state pension is a massive Ponzi scheme and today's pensioners can receive it because today's tax payers fund it
just as today's tax payers are also sending a tiny proportion to help Syrian civilians not freeze or starve to death
BTW
regarding other 'arab' nations
Jordan has turned itself inside out to look after thousands of Syrian refugees
Ditto Turkey
/If it means the recolonisation of Africa then so be it, because it is obvious those now in charge of Africa are not doing a very good job./
Ill informed, short-termist nonsense aog
Africa has never been so 'peaceful' since the end of colonisation - the number of armed conflicts has dropped dramatically
Most of the conflicts of recent years are due to the distortions of colonialism eg the Belgian invention of Hutus and Tutsis or the global phenomenon of islamic fundamentalism
Most countries in Africa are developing economically, agriculturally, educationally and politically
Africa is a huge proportion of the planet and the human race
The 50 years since the beginning of the turmoil of recovering from colonial rule is a very short time in context
Take a longer view aog - not a backward one
Ill informed, short-termist nonsense aog
Africa has never been so 'peaceful' since the end of colonisation - the number of armed conflicts has dropped dramatically
Most of the conflicts of recent years are due to the distortions of colonialism eg the Belgian invention of Hutus and Tutsis or the global phenomenon of islamic fundamentalism
Most countries in Africa are developing economically, agriculturally, educationally and politically
Africa is a huge proportion of the planet and the human race
The 50 years since the beginning of the turmoil of recovering from colonial rule is a very short time in context
Take a longer view aog - not a backward one
Education is a very important part of it indeed, AOG, and one we should rightly be focusing on. In the meantime aid is just as important.
The recolonisation idea isn't worth taking seriously. That would, ultimately, mean putting even more money into Africa for one thing. Let alone being completely unsupportable, likely to lead to a cut-off of all the money we receive, and so on.
The recolonisation idea isn't worth taking seriously. That would, ultimately, mean putting even more money into Africa for one thing. Let alone being completely unsupportable, likely to lead to a cut-off of all the money we receive, and so on.
