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Does The Bible Predict World Changes Up Till God’S Kingdom?
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We do not want to act “dumb,” do we? That is to say, stupid, senseless, unreasonable, which also means, unscientific? There is nothing else for reasoning, intelligent humans to accept but that the great Runner of this amazing “establishment” of beauty, design and power is an intelligent Person, even though invisible to our frail natural eyes.
And this it does in its very opening sentence, saying: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” -Genesis 1
And this it does in its very opening sentence, saying: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” -Genesis 1
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Physics, is to to understand how and why certain things happen, true, so it been deliberately designed with regard to the consequences they produce.Who or what is responsible for this “monstrous series of [fortunate] accidents”? Who or what produced this speck of a planet, teeming with an almost endless variety of millions of exquisitely formed plants and creatures?
No,the choice is yours, either credulous belief in blind and fortuitous evolution, the numberless gambles that supposedly paid off, or faith in the Purposer-Creator-Designer, Jehovah God. The inspired prophet rightly said: “Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding.”—Isaiah 40:28- you lot got the wrong book.
No,the choice is yours, either credulous belief in blind and fortuitous evolution, the numberless gambles that supposedly paid off, or faith in the Purposer-Creator-Designer, Jehovah God. The inspired prophet rightly said: “Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding.”—Isaiah 40:28- you lot got the wrong book.
@ goodlife "you lot got the wrong book."
Actually, goodlife - you have one book; and old one, heavily edited for political and cultural reasons, open to subjective re-interpretation by anyone with an active imagination.
Science has many, a consilience of divergent strands of observation, theorisation, experimentation and repeatable proofs of concept - cos thats kind of what science does. It is a rigidly self-correcting philosophical process by which we can establish the facts about the universe and the fundamental forces driving it, rather than subjective opinion or wishful thinking or devout faith in a sky god.
You are correct to say there is a choice of what to think about such things. On the one hand, a credulous belief that "Goddunnit" by using his omnipotence and "mysterious ways" - which tell us nothing about our surroundings, discourage investigation and help to promote stone age thinking in a digital age world.
On the other - different strands of rigourously tested scientific theories, refined and tested to destruction over the centuries, which have withstood all challenges to their authenticity.
Evolution is, simply, the best theory to explain how life develops. Cosmology and particle physics is the best theory to explain the fundamental forces of nature and the building blocks of- well, everything, really.
So - credulous faith in selectively and creatively imagined interpretations of scripture, or evidenced theories about a naturalistic universe? All the evidence points to the only rational conclusion. No god. No mystical overlord with omnipotent powers, occasionally inclined to offer up weird "miracles" to keep the faith alive. Just nature.
Its not that you have read only one book, Goodlife. Its just that you have not read enough books. You have not challenged your assumptions about your beleifs. You have not bothered to understand basic scientific theories.
Actually, goodlife - you have one book; and old one, heavily edited for political and cultural reasons, open to subjective re-interpretation by anyone with an active imagination.
Science has many, a consilience of divergent strands of observation, theorisation, experimentation and repeatable proofs of concept - cos thats kind of what science does. It is a rigidly self-correcting philosophical process by which we can establish the facts about the universe and the fundamental forces driving it, rather than subjective opinion or wishful thinking or devout faith in a sky god.
You are correct to say there is a choice of what to think about such things. On the one hand, a credulous belief that "Goddunnit" by using his omnipotence and "mysterious ways" - which tell us nothing about our surroundings, discourage investigation and help to promote stone age thinking in a digital age world.
On the other - different strands of rigourously tested scientific theories, refined and tested to destruction over the centuries, which have withstood all challenges to their authenticity.
Evolution is, simply, the best theory to explain how life develops. Cosmology and particle physics is the best theory to explain the fundamental forces of nature and the building blocks of- well, everything, really.
So - credulous faith in selectively and creatively imagined interpretations of scripture, or evidenced theories about a naturalistic universe? All the evidence points to the only rational conclusion. No god. No mystical overlord with omnipotent powers, occasionally inclined to offer up weird "miracles" to keep the faith alive. Just nature.
Its not that you have read only one book, Goodlife. Its just that you have not read enough books. You have not challenged your assumptions about your beleifs. You have not bothered to understand basic scientific theories.
Goodlife, one day I really hope you wake up and see what everybody else sees, your brain really has been washed by all this JW claptrap, I actually pity you; for you are the one that is missing out in this world by believing all this nonsense you preach. I really hope that you never ever convince anybody to follow your twisted and dangerous path. You are one of the saddest and unfortunate people I have come across that has been corrupted by religion, I really hope that one day you will see the light of Atheism.
For all you know,I could have been a Atheist
And with your limited scientific knowledge, you cannot explain how God created. Therefore, you should acknowledge that at present you cannot know or understand everything about the origin of life. But you are reminded of this when we read God’s words- The thoughts of you people are not my thoughts, nor are my ways your ways . . . For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”—Isaiah 55:8, 9.so you are a poor lot.
And with your limited scientific knowledge, you cannot explain how God created. Therefore, you should acknowledge that at present you cannot know or understand everything about the origin of life. But you are reminded of this when we read God’s words- The thoughts of you people are not my thoughts, nor are my ways your ways . . . For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”—Isaiah 55:8, 9.so you are a poor lot.
Goodlife, //you cannot explain how God created.//
Another irrational statement. You have no evidence whatsoever of God’s existence, so why assume ‘he’ is there at all?
As far as I'm aware, only the religious here, who believe that there is an invisible, permanently silent, supernatural entity wafting around somewhere in the great unknown, that takes an infinite interest in them personally, have ever claimed to know everything about the origin of life. Something, the existence for which we have no evidence, dunnit! What more do you need to know? There’s common sense for you!
According to you, we’re a poor lot – but fortunately not in the intellectual stakes. Perhaps you should look to yourself and reconsider that constantly repeated statement.
Another irrational statement. You have no evidence whatsoever of God’s existence, so why assume ‘he’ is there at all?
As far as I'm aware, only the religious here, who believe that there is an invisible, permanently silent, supernatural entity wafting around somewhere in the great unknown, that takes an infinite interest in them personally, have ever claimed to know everything about the origin of life. Something, the existence for which we have no evidence, dunnit! What more do you need to know? There’s common sense for you!
According to you, we’re a poor lot – but fortunately not in the intellectual stakes. Perhaps you should look to yourself and reconsider that constantly repeated statement.
@Goodlife "And with your limited scientific knowledge, you cannot explain how God created. Therefore, you should acknowledge that at present you cannot know or understand everything about the origin of life."
But science already does do that. This is what I mean - you create a strawman - that science is a faith that admits of no possibility that it is wrong - and then criticize it. But science does not do that. It acknowledges its limitations, recognises that there is a chance that such a thing as a creator might exist. Its just that the chance is exceedingly improbable - so improbably that in fact, rationally speaking we should proceed on the assumption that god does not exist.
You, on the other hand, and other zealous faithheads do not admit of any possibility that your god does not exist, that the bible is not inerrant, that the "prophecies" you see are merely subjective interpretations by the faithful.
So who is the poor lot now?
And you, being an atheist? Do not make me laugh.......well, not any more than I usually do at the fallacies contained within your posts.. :)
But science already does do that. This is what I mean - you create a strawman - that science is a faith that admits of no possibility that it is wrong - and then criticize it. But science does not do that. It acknowledges its limitations, recognises that there is a chance that such a thing as a creator might exist. Its just that the chance is exceedingly improbable - so improbably that in fact, rationally speaking we should proceed on the assumption that god does not exist.
You, on the other hand, and other zealous faithheads do not admit of any possibility that your god does not exist, that the bible is not inerrant, that the "prophecies" you see are merely subjective interpretations by the faithful.
So who is the poor lot now?
And you, being an atheist? Do not make me laugh.......well, not any more than I usually do at the fallacies contained within your posts.. :)
Oh the arrogance of religion. "I know something you don't know nah nah"
That's what we used to say when we were kids Goodlife. Then we went to school and were educated and realised how little we really new.
I am 63 years old and thanks to science I can sit in the comfort of my own home and learn something new every day.
I can view pictures of Mars taken by machines built by men and using science developed by men.
I can see pictures from the Mariana Trench almost 40 miles beneath the ocean where the pressure is 1000 times greater than normal. Again, only possible because of machines built by men.
What if all these scientists had done what you did Goodlife. What if they had all decided that the bible was all they neede because the bible contained all knowledge.
Well we probably would have both died either during childbirth or at an early age through diseases that we didn't know about.
I know that I cannot learn everything but you seem to have decided that you don't need the combined knowledge of the many scientists and researchers of the past and present.
You have stayed at that schoolchild phase, convinced that your one book can answer all questions.
I pity you and all the others like you.
That's what we used to say when we were kids Goodlife. Then we went to school and were educated and realised how little we really new.
I am 63 years old and thanks to science I can sit in the comfort of my own home and learn something new every day.
I can view pictures of Mars taken by machines built by men and using science developed by men.
I can see pictures from the Mariana Trench almost 40 miles beneath the ocean where the pressure is 1000 times greater than normal. Again, only possible because of machines built by men.
What if all these scientists had done what you did Goodlife. What if they had all decided that the bible was all they neede because the bible contained all knowledge.
Well we probably would have both died either during childbirth or at an early age through diseases that we didn't know about.
I know that I cannot learn everything but you seem to have decided that you don't need the combined knowledge of the many scientists and researchers of the past and present.
You have stayed at that schoolchild phase, convinced that your one book can answer all questions.
I pity you and all the others like you.
Yes,you can see science today is the only thing in which man as a whole believe: it is the only universal religion of our time . . . The scientist has thus got himself into an ambiguous position: he is a priest of this new religion, possessing its secrets and marvels; for what to others is puzzling, strange or secret is plain to him.
Yet see bloodshed and destruction of this century’s world wars is an example. World War II alone is reported to have taken over 50 million lives. Many of these victims died in horrible ways due to the inventions of science and technology: explosives dropped on many peace-loving civilians by speeding aircraft, rockets, tanks, flamethrowers, automatic weapons, torpedoes, atomic bombs and other engines of death. These, too, were the products of scientific and industrial advancement,
Scientists were able to induce malformations in lower animals by the use of chemicals. And in spite of all the knowledge and experience gained since then, the load of chemicals (the effects of which on the human body when consumed over years are not yet fully understood, and which are introduced into pills, as well as food, drink and air) continues to mount. Although further factors are also involved, it is no wonder that so many ailments, such as cancer and heart disease, are on the increase
But true christain comforting to know that their future does not depend upon what mere humans do. We appreciate that the record of human failures in past centuries gives no basis for confidence. Rather, faith in a loving dependable Creator does inspire confidence in the future. And the future He promises is one without sickness and sorrow. For I myself well know the thoughts that I am thinking toward you,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘thoughts of peace, and not of calamity, to give you a future and a hope.’”—Jer. 29:11.
Yet see bloodshed and destruction of this century’s world wars is an example. World War II alone is reported to have taken over 50 million lives. Many of these victims died in horrible ways due to the inventions of science and technology: explosives dropped on many peace-loving civilians by speeding aircraft, rockets, tanks, flamethrowers, automatic weapons, torpedoes, atomic bombs and other engines of death. These, too, were the products of scientific and industrial advancement,
Scientists were able to induce malformations in lower animals by the use of chemicals. And in spite of all the knowledge and experience gained since then, the load of chemicals (the effects of which on the human body when consumed over years are not yet fully understood, and which are introduced into pills, as well as food, drink and air) continues to mount. Although further factors are also involved, it is no wonder that so many ailments, such as cancer and heart disease, are on the increase
But true christain comforting to know that their future does not depend upon what mere humans do. We appreciate that the record of human failures in past centuries gives no basis for confidence. Rather, faith in a loving dependable Creator does inspire confidence in the future. And the future He promises is one without sickness and sorrow. For I myself well know the thoughts that I am thinking toward you,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘thoughts of peace, and not of calamity, to give you a future and a hope.’”—Jer. 29:11.
@goodlife
A statement for you: That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Lets have a look at the fallacies and errors in your last diatribe, shall we?
Science is not a religion.No faith is required, although learning and some familiarity with the basics is.All the experiments, the hypotheses, the data, the observations and conclusions are there for all to see. You might try and liken science to a religion, and commentators like, oh, i don't know- David Attenborough, or Brian Cox, or even Richard Dawkins - as Priests - but they really are no such thing. So its a strawman analogy, with a defensive tone to it, and not supported by any evidence - Dismissed!
Your next analogy is just facile. Science and technical development have allowed us to do things more efficiently, killing included, but has not been the cause of the killing. Mankind has been bloodthirstily attempting to eradicate various elements of its own species and numerous others for years. Science and knowledge just add scale.
Follow you own argument to its own inevitable conclusion. Millions killed in world war, aided and abetted by science and technology. No science and technology, no mass killing, right? But that means giving up all the other things that science has brought us - knowledge of agriculture so we can feed ourselves, the applied knowledge required to produce fabrics and hence clothe ourselves, the knowledge of medicine and surgery so we can save countless millions through vaccination and proper sanitation and hygiene. Technology to aid our development as a species - from printing, and the alphabet, and books through to cars and trains and planes and computers and TVs and radios. Appliances like fridges and microwaves and washing machines free us to live more productive lives.
We can treat and ameliorate cancer through surgery and chemotherapy and radiotherapy. We can treat HIV through the knowledge and applications of that knowledge to the field of retrovirals. We can replace joints and limbs and organs. We can correct some genetic diseases.
So the balance is that knowledge aids rather than hinders. Only those like you would wish us to revert to ignorance, it would seem. So, another evidence -free assertion - dismissed!
Human history contains both failures and triumphs, but overall tells an incredible story - from ignorant tribal nomads to technological savants. A population that has bloomed from several thousand to billions. The most successful species the world has ever known.
And you believers wish to denigrate that, to focus only the negative, to wish for ignorance so people have faith in what knowledge tells us is almost certainly a non-existent deity. I think myself that it is christians like you, with your most un-christian like sentiments, that give christianity a bad name, goodlife.....
A statement for you: That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Lets have a look at the fallacies and errors in your last diatribe, shall we?
Science is not a religion.No faith is required, although learning and some familiarity with the basics is.All the experiments, the hypotheses, the data, the observations and conclusions are there for all to see. You might try and liken science to a religion, and commentators like, oh, i don't know- David Attenborough, or Brian Cox, or even Richard Dawkins - as Priests - but they really are no such thing. So its a strawman analogy, with a defensive tone to it, and not supported by any evidence - Dismissed!
Your next analogy is just facile. Science and technical development have allowed us to do things more efficiently, killing included, but has not been the cause of the killing. Mankind has been bloodthirstily attempting to eradicate various elements of its own species and numerous others for years. Science and knowledge just add scale.
Follow you own argument to its own inevitable conclusion. Millions killed in world war, aided and abetted by science and technology. No science and technology, no mass killing, right? But that means giving up all the other things that science has brought us - knowledge of agriculture so we can feed ourselves, the applied knowledge required to produce fabrics and hence clothe ourselves, the knowledge of medicine and surgery so we can save countless millions through vaccination and proper sanitation and hygiene. Technology to aid our development as a species - from printing, and the alphabet, and books through to cars and trains and planes and computers and TVs and radios. Appliances like fridges and microwaves and washing machines free us to live more productive lives.
We can treat and ameliorate cancer through surgery and chemotherapy and radiotherapy. We can treat HIV through the knowledge and applications of that knowledge to the field of retrovirals. We can replace joints and limbs and organs. We can correct some genetic diseases.
So the balance is that knowledge aids rather than hinders. Only those like you would wish us to revert to ignorance, it would seem. So, another evidence -free assertion - dismissed!
Human history contains both failures and triumphs, but overall tells an incredible story - from ignorant tribal nomads to technological savants. A population that has bloomed from several thousand to billions. The most successful species the world has ever known.
And you believers wish to denigrate that, to focus only the negative, to wish for ignorance so people have faith in what knowledge tells us is almost certainly a non-existent deity. I think myself that it is christians like you, with your most un-christian like sentiments, that give christianity a bad name, goodlife.....
The real failure has been religion.
Despite 3000 years passing none of the promises of the Bible have been fulfilled. Religion has done nothing about suffering but promise that it will be better after we die.
Abrahamic religions have done nothing to bring peace. Quite the opposite. Throughout their entire histories they have promoted violence. Most of the conflicts on the planet are driven by arguments about which imaginary deity is "the one true god".
Religion is one of the last bastions of fascism. More than any other factor it has held back the advancement of humanity by persisting ignorance and bigotry in the name of supposed moral superiority.
Despite 3000 years passing none of the promises of the Bible have been fulfilled. Religion has done nothing about suffering but promise that it will be better after we die.
Abrahamic religions have done nothing to bring peace. Quite the opposite. Throughout their entire histories they have promoted violence. Most of the conflicts on the planet are driven by arguments about which imaginary deity is "the one true god".
Religion is one of the last bastions of fascism. More than any other factor it has held back the advancement of humanity by persisting ignorance and bigotry in the name of supposed moral superiority.
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No, He that is walking with wise persons will become wise, but he that is having dealings with the stupid ones will fare badly.-Proverbs 13:20
That is why with all of religion often portrays Jesus as a baby, as an undernourished weakling, or as an ascetic who passively submits to whatever befalls him. These images do not inspire confidence in him as Ruler. The real Jesus Christ of the Bible, however, grew up to be a vigorous, well-developed man full of zeal and initiative. And he possessed other traits that qualified him for leadership. (Luke 2:52) just a few aspects of his outstanding personality that will never inspire confidence in you, all your future, so you see you are a poor lot.
That is why with all of religion often portrays Jesus as a baby, as an undernourished weakling, or as an ascetic who passively submits to whatever befalls him. These images do not inspire confidence in him as Ruler. The real Jesus Christ of the Bible, however, grew up to be a vigorous, well-developed man full of zeal and initiative. And he possessed other traits that qualified him for leadership. (Luke 2:52) just a few aspects of his outstanding personality that will never inspire confidence in you, all your future, so you see you are a poor lot.
goodlife, you live in a delusion.
These promises of a better world have been around fro many centuries.
The fact is that the book you love to quote also quotes Jesus as saying that His return would happen in the life time of some of those who he was speaking to.
That promise was never fulfilled yet you still expect the rest of it to come. You are a fool of the worst kind.
Nobody is coming to fix this. You sit back with your platitudes and quote your hideous book and do absolutely nothing. Your ignorance makes you a central part of the problem.
These promises of a better world have been around fro many centuries.
The fact is that the book you love to quote also quotes Jesus as saying that His return would happen in the life time of some of those who he was speaking to.
That promise was never fulfilled yet you still expect the rest of it to come. You are a fool of the worst kind.
Nobody is coming to fix this. You sit back with your platitudes and quote your hideous book and do absolutely nothing. Your ignorance makes you a central part of the problem.
life, //He that is walking with wise persons will become wise//
But it's clear that you are not walking with wise people. You are being duped. You tell us the bible is the word of God and therefore it is all true, but when you're asked to explain its obvious contradictions you can't - and since such an admission would mean that you are contradicting yourself, you take the only option available to you - you fall silent. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what happened at Easter.
But it's clear that you are not walking with wise people. You are being duped. You tell us the bible is the word of God and therefore it is all true, but when you're asked to explain its obvious contradictions you can't - and since such an admission would mean that you are contradicting yourself, you take the only option available to you - you fall silent. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what happened at Easter.
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