Jesus, the son of God

[johnlambert]

following on from charisma's threads.

If we are all god's children, why is Jesus special?

[commonsense]

Coming back to the Trinity, not that I believe or disbelieve it, it was once put to me like this: We know that we need oxygen to breathe and we also know that the air we breath cannot be seen but we still know that it is there. Take the idea of an ice cube, we shall call that the solid, then we have the glass of water this is the liquid, then we have the air around us to constitue the gas. So the solid, liquid and the gas are all the same elements but simply present in different ways. Maybe this is the same as the idea of The father (solid), the Son(liquid) and the Holy spirit(gas). Any thoughts?

[pugwashjw]

Jesus was Almighty God's VERY FIRST creation, before even the universe, the stars, planets, earth, animals or man. Proverbs 8; 22-31 "22 �Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth.[24-30] 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.

Following on from this is John 17;5 So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.

Jesus was 'ALONGSIDE' his Father in heaven.

Then there is John 8; 58 Jesus said to them: �Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.�

Jesus is saying he was in existence BEFORE Abraham

All these scriptures tie in with one another,

It puts 'paid' to the Trinity doctrine which claims Jesus is actually God or even a part of God. Co-equal, co-powerful, Jesus himself disclaims this. We are god's children in that he created us through Adam and Eve. They sinned/disobeyed so were rendered imperfect. We inherited that same imperfection, and that is why we grow old and die. Jesus was always PERFECT. It separates Him from us..

[johnlambert]

not quite perfect pugwash mate, he still died, or was put to death by the romans