How Are We Going To Cope With The Ageing Population?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-27136608

[jno]

naomi, your own impression is false. People from the Caribbean were coming here long before 1948 (some were freed slaves; thousands arrived around WW1).

For the rest, it is as I said: the first minister to invite them here was Powell.

[Svejk]

Naomi's 'never' wrong. look up 'windrush'.

[jno]

I'm perfectly well aware of the Windrush. Google Caribbean immigration.

[Svejk]

What for?

[tamborine]

Caribbean were Crown colonies from 17c and war recruitments sourced as necessary.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Colony

[emmie]

black people have been coming to these shores for centuries, fact.
it doesn't mean to say that they all settled, many came because they were forced to via slavery, work. those on the Windrush were the first modern influx, having been specifically invited, as there was a decided short fall in manpower due to the war years,

[jno]

as I mentioned, thousands came here around WW1 to work in munitions.

But Powell was still the first minister to invite them.

[emmie]

jno
do you have that info, as my understanding is that is was mainly women who worked in munitions, as the men were away at the war, same for the WW2

http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/womenww1_four.htm

[emmie]

from the link,
As the main historian of women's work, Gail Braybon, claims, for many women the war was "a genuinely liberating experience" (link) that made them feel useful as citizens but that also gave them the freedom and the wages only men had enjoyed so far. Approximately 1,600,000 women joined the workforce between 1914 and 1918 in Government departments, public transport, the post office, as clerks in business, as land workers and in factories, especially in the dangerous munitions factories, which were employing 950,000 women by Armistice Day (as compared to 700,000 in Germany).

[jno]

I can't find the figures for WW1 at the moment but here's a piece about WW2 immigration and recruitment (well before 1948)

http://www.historytoday.com/zig-henry/new-commonwealth-migrants-1945-62

[emmie]

my understanding, and considerable interest in WW1, that whilst the men went off, women worked on the land, munitions factories, and many other forms of war work, i can't see any reason with such a large untapped workforce, women, that others needed to come here specifically to work in munitions

[pixie373]

There are lots of reasons why it happens- relatives working more, living further away, having their own children later, so coping with small grandchildren as well as elderly parents.
The problem is already here. My sister and i can only take on about 10 clients to look after them properly. We get 5-10 phone calls a week from potential new ones and we've never advertised.
Average care home costs are £850 a week. £800 a week for a live-in carer (but then you are paying all bills, etc too).
Very, very few of the hundreds of clients I've worked with are from abroad originally (around 5) although that's probably increasing.
I think that covers it. Lol :-)

[jno]

there wasn't an infinite number of women; some already had jobs to do or families to raise (the more so if the men were in Belgium). Just not enough of them available, I suppose.

[emmie]

did you see the link, many left the work they had been doing,
moved away, and many joined up, to work in nursing, as VAD's

[emmie]

i have already posted the details, if you care to look -
this was a total sea change for women, and one they took to like ducks to water, sadly many became ill and some died as a result of working in munitions, the materials they were working with, high toxic.

[emmie]

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in factories, especially in the dangerous munitions factories, which were employing 950,000 women by Armistice Day (as compared to 700,000 in Germany).