Breaking: Alan Henning Dead

[ChillDoubt]

Just breaking via Sky app by all accounts.
Expected but very sad all the same.

[jourdain2]

naomi, I have a horrible feeling that chris19 is right, I've been trying to push those same suspicions away for some time.

RIP Alan, you must have died in horrified disbelief - which is our reaction. Thoughts and prayers with his family.

Agree that this is no time for niceties AOG, tell everyone else to get out and then bomb them to smithereens. We did discuss the neuclear option this morning, but who knows what that could lead to.

[Hypognosis]

It's a pity that cluster bombs got banned. I'm sure that modern tech would do away with the old problem of unexploded minelets.

[mikey4444]

On a tangent here perhaps but has Anjem Choudary been asked what he thinks of this latest outrage ? Who wants to bet that he is still refusing to condemn these atrocities ?

[ChillDoubt]

On a tangent here perhaps but has Anjem Choudary been asked what he thinks of this latest outrage ?
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We already know, so no point in giving him the fuel of media coverage in which to vaunt his bilious views.

[mikey4444]

Agree 100% chili...I just wish there was some way that we could deal with this loathsome creature.

[grumpy01]

Wonder what our "esteemed" peace envoy thinks of all this?

[mikey4444]

If you mean T Blair, I would imagine that he is as appalled as we all are...why wouldn't he be ?

[chaptazbru2]

The picture of him shows a very different man than the one who first went out to help, I didn't recognise him at first. Poor soul, he must have been so scared and for what, for trying to help. Just an ordinary bloke beheaded by a monster. Nuke them off the face of the earth I say, NOW !

[Henrietta]

I well up in tears everytime I see his face.

Why was someone who was helping poor people executed like a dog and his muslim counterparts freed? His colleagues could have been spies working for global governments for all we know.

Maybe they're more trusting with their "Own" which is certainly naive imo.

We should stop ALL foreign news reporters/Aid workers so we don't give Isis any more targets to kidnap/slay. Can this be done?

Either way I hope if there is a god that he gets the 72 virgins of those that sanctioned his murder and those that sanctioned his murder get 72 virgin male goats instead.

R.I.P Alan, gone but never forgotten...

[sp1814]

Henrietta

You asked:

"We should stop ALL foreign news reporters/Aid workers so we don't give Isis any more targets to kidnap/slay. Can this be done?"

I very much doubt it. However, if I were related to an aid worker, who was out in Syria, or any country with links to ISIL, I would be on the phone *demanding* that they come back home immediately.

Whilst their intentions may be honourable, they are in real danger. At some point, you would have to say, "Your life and my future happiness should not be compromised by the danger you are in, whilst carrying on your work out there".

Quite simply, my attitude would be "Sod the aid...your life is worth more".

[mikey4444]

My thoughts exactly SP. I think that all Western-based aid organisations should cease their operations in this area with immediate effect. Let Saudi Arabia and the other obscenely mega-rich Gulf states send in their aid instead. Than the others can concentrate on other parts of the globe where their efforts are more appreciated and valued.

[jourdain2]

mikey - I agree wholeheartedly.

[keyplus90]

Oh come on Birdie. Normally I would ignore your posts as you do not deserve any response. Please don’t make this a thread where you post usual twisted meanings of Quran. An innocent person has been killed by few animals and these same animals have killed so many Muslims too. Therefore I would not go into long debates with you on what Quran does or does not say, however as you have posted couple of verses or part of verses as it suited you, therefore I would yet once again show here what you have missed, purposely of course.

I wonder why you put …. With the verse 47/4 you mentioned? Because full verse tells that it is war time verse, and here is the full verse,

47/4 So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.

And for Quran 8/12, I would only say that perhaps you should have made an effort to read verses after 12 as well, but of course you can’t do that when you are just copying and pasting.

[Hypognosis]

@keyplus

Why are Quran quotes so often interpersed with bits in brackets?
Can you not just quote the words as they appear on the page and let the reader do their own interpretation of them?
To clarify my meaning, inserting extra words just comes across as insertion of someone else's interpretation.

Secondly, how does a warrior determine the beliefs of an opponent in the thick of a battle? Not much opportunity to strike up a conversation, is there?

I conclude that this can only be done either by prejudice, stereotyping of a well-known, long term opponent: Medinans versus Meccans, for example, or because they're wearing some obvious symbology of some other religion - a Crusader army, for instance.

Remove the bracketed reference to battle and the sentence makes more sense: strike the heads off non believers. It's genocidal but no-one saw that as a bad thing, 13 centuries ago.

[keyplus90]

Hypognosis – The reason behind brackets what I can think is to tell people about the context, time or place. Because every reader does not go and read history and that is the reason a good number of scholars believe that only translation or interpretation is not good either and reader should read Quran with a reputable commentary.

As for your other question then in battlefield at that time people most of the time knew who they were fighting as most of the times they used to be face to face. Not like now that you can press a button and strike in the other part of the world. Then Islam believes in fighting only as in defence and not in offence.

2-190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

A thought provoking article about ISIS.

http://www.bilalabdulkareem.com/adnani/

[Hypognosis]

@keyplus

//2-190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. //

Which appears to mean "no wars of conquest".

So, should Islam have conquered Mecca? Or any lands anywhere outside the borders of Medina?

Anyone care to let ISIS know the answer to that?