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Should Former Police Chief David Duckenfield Be Stripped Of His Police Pension?
He won't face charges for this (as he has health issues) , but he should be stripped of his police pension at the very least.
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Is this 30 /40 year rule you mentioned - the same as the statute of limitations. And if so, if Duckenfield was charged with perjury / gross misconduct etc. what you will, could legal argument be drawn out until the 30 years (or possibly 40 years) is reached, in which case the time to charge him would have run out.
I am hoping that this goes higher than Duckenfield.
There was far more police incompetence, corruption and falsification of evidence than he alone could have organised .( the strange fact that many police mens notebooks had exactly the same words and showed signs of tampering for a start). There has to be an organised police cover up that comes from far above his rank !
There was far more police incompetence, corruption and falsification of evidence than he alone could have organised .( the strange fact that many police mens notebooks had exactly the same words and showed signs of tampering for a start). There has to be an organised police cover up that comes from far above his rank !
For those who want people to uphold the law...
sorry Barney there is case law on this
After the Guildford non-bombers were acquitted of bombing after er 16 y.
Magistrate Bartells threw out perjury charges against all and any police on the grounds that after 16 y they couldnt get a fair trial
[The Police Fed at the time commented that they were pleased at the judgement by one of their fave magistrates and it was something they thought would happen]
sorry Barney there is case law on this
After the Guildford non-bombers were acquitted of bombing after er 16 y.
Magistrate Bartells threw out perjury charges against all and any police on the grounds that after 16 y they couldnt get a fair trial
[The Police Fed at the time commented that they were pleased at the judgement by one of their fave magistrates and it was something they thought would happen]
From my recollection, Peter, the detectives involved in the Guildford bombings case were cleared by an Old Bailey jury. Having looked it up I find that indeed to be so. In May 1993 they were acquitted and the presiding judge was none other than our old friend Mr Justice Macpherson (he of the Stephen Lawrence enquiry fame).
Proceedings against officers from the West Midlands police involved n the case of the "Birmingham Six" were halted. They faced charges of perjury and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. However Mr Justice Garland ruled that it was impossible for the officers to receive a fair trial on account of the amount of publicity the case had attracted.
Proceedings against officers from the West Midlands police involved n the case of the "Birmingham Six" were halted. They faced charges of perjury and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. However Mr Justice Garland ruled that it was impossible for the officers to receive a fair trial on account of the amount of publicity the case had attracted.
@barney15c
I know nothing of statute of limitations rules. It might be an American thing. The historic sex abuse cases relate to early 70s and the cases went ahead.
30 year rule is about release of government secrets and because senior politicians were, in the past, often in their 40s and 50s while in service, 30 years (some WWII secrets stretched to 40 and more) was usually enough for the protagonists to be retired, past caring or deceased by the time any historical embarassments/controversy emerged.
I know nothing of statute of limitations rules. It might be an American thing. The historic sex abuse cases relate to early 70s and the cases went ahead.
30 year rule is about release of government secrets and because senior politicians were, in the past, often in their 40s and 50s while in service, 30 years (some WWII secrets stretched to 40 and more) was usually enough for the protagonists to be retired, past caring or deceased by the time any historical embarassments/controversy emerged.
@NJ
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However Mr Justice Garland ruled that it was impossible for the officers to receive a fair trial on account of the amount of publicity the case had attracted.
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And that is precisely why some people have no confidence in the law. It is applied fully to "ordinary folk" but those who worked within the justice system are, seemingly immune from it.
Having said that, I can understand if the policemen involved were pressured to get someone put away, even if innocent, so as to encourage the real perpetrators to volunteer themselves in exchange. Yes, this is hostage taking but they always insisted it was "a war, not terrorism". Not our fault that nobody 'fessed up or shopped the real killers.
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However Mr Justice Garland ruled that it was impossible for the officers to receive a fair trial on account of the amount of publicity the case had attracted.
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And that is precisely why some people have no confidence in the law. It is applied fully to "ordinary folk" but those who worked within the justice system are, seemingly immune from it.
Having said that, I can understand if the policemen involved were pressured to get someone put away, even if innocent, so as to encourage the real perpetrators to volunteer themselves in exchange. Yes, this is hostage taking but they always insisted it was "a war, not terrorism". Not our fault that nobody 'fessed up or shopped the real killers.
Quite simply this must be the worst case of perverting the cause of justice ever, and he's going to get away with it when clearly he's guilty of the offence at the very least. He blamed the supporters for forcing the gates and causing the deaths of 96 innocent fans , and stood by that lie for 26 years , what a scumbag. To allow the suffering of all of thone who lost loved ones is beyond comprehension. He and the police and consecutive governments knew the truth about the events of that fateful day and every single person involved in this despicable cover up should be arrested and charged with perverting the cause of justice. My message to that despicable corrupt low life is go and crawl back down the rathole from which you came and draw your huge police pension which you've already been drawing for 24 years not to mention the 6 figure compensation for PTSD And rot . There is no justice in this country anymore , rest in peace now the 96 Liverpool fans who lost there lives , and my utmost respect to all whose never gave up.
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