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Prosecuting My Parents For Childhood Abuse Involving Ffi/msbp
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This is a follow up to my previous question
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(the one about medically-unjustified / forcible administration of suppositories and enemas to treat non-existent constipation, over a span of approx. 7 years)
So far the police have been unhelpful - claiming the onus is on me to prove that my parents had any sadistic intent.
I refuse to believe that that is the legal position - and that there is no offense with which they can be charged.
Firstly: the level of medical ignorance / misinformation they displayed when justifying their actions beggars belief, even in the context of thirty years ago. There were books on their own shelves at home which could have told them that what they were doing was unnecessary, wrong, potentially harmful physically and definitely hamful psychologically. Then again, what did they need to read the books for? Anecdotal evidence suggests they'd been through it themselves, for a similar span of time. at the hands (so to speak) of their own parents - they knew in themselves this was a form of "medical" assault.
Secondly: in light of the above, who in the world is going to believe they didn't have a subconscious sadistic motivation (whether you call it "sexual" or something else)?
Clearly I have to act as my own lawyer just to get the CPS to start work. So, please - somebody - give me a legal reference point that I can use to argue my point (like section number X of the such-and-such act)!
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(the one about medically-unjustified / forcible administration of suppositories and enemas to treat non-existent constipation, over a span of approx. 7 years)
So far the police have been unhelpful - claiming the onus is on me to prove that my parents had any sadistic intent.
I refuse to believe that that is the legal position - and that there is no offense with which they can be charged.
Firstly: the level of medical ignorance / misinformation they displayed when justifying their actions beggars belief, even in the context of thirty years ago. There were books on their own shelves at home which could have told them that what they were doing was unnecessary, wrong, potentially harmful physically and definitely hamful psychologically. Then again, what did they need to read the books for? Anecdotal evidence suggests they'd been through it themselves, for a similar span of time. at the hands (so to speak) of their own parents - they knew in themselves this was a form of "medical" assault.
Secondly: in light of the above, who in the world is going to believe they didn't have a subconscious sadistic motivation (whether you call it "sexual" or something else)?
Clearly I have to act as my own lawyer just to get the CPS to start work. So, please - somebody - give me a legal reference point that I can use to argue my point (like section number X of the such-and-such act)!
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As you have already been advised, I think you are on a non-starter but reading through here and other linked articles may provide you with the information you need.
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Just to demonstrate the difficulties you face (and why I think you are not likely to succeed, whatever route you take) see if you can answer these few questions:
Do you know what they administered by force to you?
Do you know what effect these would have had on you?
Do you know how many and at what frequency they were adminstered?
Can you recall - in detail - the process they used to assault you?
Do you know if any physical harm came to you as a result of this?
Do you know if your parents received any medical advice to enable them to treat your "condition"?
This is just a start. If you don't know the answers to all of these questions (and many more) you will be unlikely to secure a conviction against your parents no matter who prosecutes.
What i am trying to say in a roundabout and kindly fashion is that you have very, very little chance of success. Futher, in my view the trauma you will undergo in recalling these events and in preparing a case for prosecution (should it ever get that far, which is very doubtful) will be far greater than the suffering you have endured already. Remember, evidence to support these events will have to convince a jury "beyond reasonable doubt". That is a very high standard of proof and one which, from what you say, seems very unlikely to be achieved.
Sorry to be harsh, but life's like that sometimes.
Do you know what they administered by force to you?
Do you know what effect these would have had on you?
Do you know how many and at what frequency they were adminstered?
Can you recall - in detail - the process they used to assault you?
Do you know if any physical harm came to you as a result of this?
Do you know if your parents received any medical advice to enable them to treat your "condition"?
This is just a start. If you don't know the answers to all of these questions (and many more) you will be unlikely to secure a conviction against your parents no matter who prosecutes.
What i am trying to say in a roundabout and kindly fashion is that you have very, very little chance of success. Futher, in my view the trauma you will undergo in recalling these events and in preparing a case for prosecution (should it ever get that far, which is very doubtful) will be far greater than the suffering you have endured already. Remember, evidence to support these events will have to convince a jury "beyond reasonable doubt". That is a very high standard of proof and one which, from what you say, seems very unlikely to be achieved.
Sorry to be harsh, but life's like that sometimes.
Your yahoo question, mentioned on first thread
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Sorry , but having now read your account of what happened I have to say 'forget it, you have no chance'
You do not have even a shred of hard evidence, not even enough to get a solicitor to look at a prosecution.
Do as New judge says and forget it, you do not have a hope in hell of even getting it looked at by the CPS. All you have is your opinion, nothing more!
You do not have even a shred of hard evidence, not even enough to get a solicitor to look at a prosecution.
Do as New judge says and forget it, you do not have a hope in hell of even getting it looked at by the CPS. All you have is your opinion, nothing more!
// who in the world is going to believe they didn't have a subconscious sadistic motivation (whether you call it "sexual" or something else)? //
for any crime at all ( I wonder if I have said, start at the Offences against the Person act 1861 ) you are gonna have to show intent
From the fact that they gave you an enema ( or more than one ) all you can conclude is that they intended to give you an enema- you cant jump to "Oh it must have been with criminal intent. " - that was the point the police were making
for any crime at all ( I wonder if I have said, start at the Offences against the Person act 1861 ) you are gonna have to show intent
From the fact that they gave you an enema ( or more than one ) all you can conclude is that they intended to give you an enema- you cant jump to "Oh it must have been with criminal intent. " - that was the point the police were making
Reply to New Judge - yes I CAN answer those questions. I have been answering them for months publically and for years privately. Additional clarification will be provided once the NHS has stopped idling about and finally completed the simple task of providing me with my archived medical records.
Message to Peter Pedant and others - why do you waste your time and mine pretending to provide sound legal advice, when you obviously cannot even understand English - because you have not read my question(s) correctly?!!
Message to Peter Pedant and others - why do you waste your time and mine pretending to provide sound legal advice, when you obviously cannot even understand English - because you have not read my question(s) correctly?!!
Hi Steve
Good luck with your quest.
when you repost your question in a month or so - can you please put in a disclaimer, summit like:
' can know-alls who say this is a complete obvious non-starter, please NOT post, so as to make room for other people to post truly good advice. thank you ' ?
[ and then we wont bother .... ]
Good luck with your quest.
when you repost your question in a month or so - can you please put in a disclaimer, summit like:
' can know-alls who say this is a complete obvious non-starter, please NOT post, so as to make room for other people to post truly good advice. thank you ' ?
[ and then we wont bother .... ]
You have received 'sound legal advice' it is just that the advice is not what you want to hear.
You would have to PROVE that what your parents did was specifically intended to do you harm.
I accept that it was severely misguided and unnecessary, but that is a very long way from PROOF that it was ACTUALLY INTENDED to cause harm.
Your medical records may throw more light on what happened and when but there is no way they can prove what your parents intent was.
You would have to PROVE that what your parents did was specifically intended to do you harm.
I accept that it was severely misguided and unnecessary, but that is a very long way from PROOF that it was ACTUALLY INTENDED to cause harm.
Your medical records may throw more light on what happened and when but there is no way they can prove what your parents intent was.
You still have not answered my question in your 1st post. What do you hope to achieve if you do successfully prosecute your parents? Do you want them in jail, do you want compensation?
What do your parents say about this, have you spoken to them about your concerns? Are they aware of your intent to prosecute?
As you were told in your 1st post even for a private prosecution you still need CPS permission to proceed with the prosecution.
There is no way you will get permission to waste valuable and expensive court time with this ridiculous charade.
Even in the unlikely situation that you did get permission, how do you propose to pay the court cost of £100s per hour? Even without a solicitor and 'doing it yourself ' you still have to pay the court costs ,there is no legal aid available and the costs are not recoverable even if you win!
What do your parents say about this, have you spoken to them about your concerns? Are they aware of your intent to prosecute?
As you were told in your 1st post even for a private prosecution you still need CPS permission to proceed with the prosecution.
There is no way you will get permission to waste valuable and expensive court time with this ridiculous charade.
Even in the unlikely situation that you did get permission, how do you propose to pay the court cost of £100s per hour? Even without a solicitor and 'doing it yourself ' you still have to pay the court costs ,there is no legal aid available and the costs are not recoverable even if you win!
"Charade" means "pretence" - where is the "ridiculous charade", Eddie51?
As to "what I hope to achieve" - I want them imprisoned, yes! And I also want to generate publicity in order to alert millions of others [including members of my own extended family] who have suffered this kind of medical abuse to the fact that they have a duty to themselves and the rest of the human race to get the abusers (and that includes any medics still harbouring invalidated notions of what consitutues intestinal health) prosecuted and imprisoned! [I especially want to alert those who are in-denial/on-the-fence to the fact that they were indeed abused].
End of thread - probably?
As to "what I hope to achieve" - I want them imprisoned, yes! And I also want to generate publicity in order to alert millions of others [including members of my own extended family] who have suffered this kind of medical abuse to the fact that they have a duty to themselves and the rest of the human race to get the abusers (and that includes any medics still harbouring invalidated notions of what consitutues intestinal health) prosecuted and imprisoned! [I especially want to alert those who are in-denial/on-the-fence to the fact that they were indeed abused].
End of thread - probably?
Court time is in short supply , there is not enough to try all the cases that apply for a hearing. Because of this even a private prosecution has to have permission from the CPS to proceed and be allocated a court date.
Your case has no merit and no evidence other than your opinion, it has ZERO chance of being allocated a court date by the CPS. You can keep on about it for as long as you like but it will NEVER get to court!
Your case has no merit and no evidence other than your opinion, it has ZERO chance of being allocated a court date by the CPS. You can keep on about it for as long as you like but it will NEVER get to court!
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