Err Hold On...

[bazwillrun]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11923525/Lord-Rose-former-head-of-Marks-and-Spencer-to-lead-pro-EU-campaign.html

"diminish our influence"

hes kidding right !

if we stay in we'll have none as we wont even exist as a nation..thats the eventual eussr master plan...one thing they hate and want to put an end to is sovereign nations...heck, theyve already got their flag ready.

how as a mere province will we have influence in anything ?..we will be a nobody, ruled and governed from brussells/germany

[Jackdaw33]

Couldn't agree with you more. The only people interested in keeping us in this shambles are those who plan to benefit from it personally.

[TheChair]

I'm not pro-EU, but he is right that it would diminish our influence insofar as, in order to trade with EU countries we would still have to obey all EU regulations, but not have any say at all in the making of the regulations.

[Theland]

Like TTIP?

[anotheoldgit]

Yes little wonder he wants us to stay in the EU.

/// In December 2013, Rose defended immigrants arriving to UK. Not on the grounds of the universal equality, but on financial benefits for his company and businesses in
UK. ///

[cassa333]

TheChair,

Do you mean in the same way we do for every other country in the world that we trade with?

Every country, including Britain, have rules and regulations that importers have to abide by and we do pretty well at trading with them at the moment.

If our goods are needed elsewhere they will buy them. If we want to buy something from them they will sell it to us. Supply and demand works in the free trade world just as well as it does in the closed shop of the EU. Perhaps it works even better outside without excessive burocratic interference from a state that thinks it is or should be more important than it is?

[Mosaic]

Just a thought....the countries that are doing well outside the EU appear to have their own trading zones - this is a list of similar organisations globally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_economic_communities
But especially look at the map here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multilateral_free_trade_agreements#/media/File:Economic_integration_stages_%28World%29.png

Two things: the former heavy industrial areas of northern Britain would now be wastelands comparable to downtown Detroit without European funding.
If not Europe, then which club will Britain belong to? Because without an association of some kind, we'll revert to being an American landing strip.

[bazwillrun]

Britain has been trading with the rest of the world for a few thousand years..why would that stop outside of the eussr, who will eventually force us to sell goods at prices they determine, as they will for everything in the insignificant province that they will turn us into...

[janbee]

I'm with you Baz. Out out out asap !

[TheChair]

"Perhaps it works even better outside without excessive burocratic interference from a state that thinks it is or should be more important than it is?"
I think you've misunderstood. Trading with the EU will still involve the same bureaucratic interference, but the rules will be made without any consultation with the the UK.
Similarly, some specialist companies may decide that the size of the UK market is not worth the effort of getting their products separately certified for sale in the UK.
As I said - I'm not pro-EU (far from it), just pointing out that Lord Rose wasn't talking utter nonsense.

[youngmafbog]

Rose has vested interests so he would say things like that.

He also said it would "threaten our safety". I think hs has Rose tinted spectacles on. The EUSSR is the biggest threat to our security as we are currently seeing with swarms of uncontrolled migrants across the continent.

[Jackdaw33]

I see that the Prince of Darkness is involved so that's alright, then. A definite win for the No camp.

[Hypognosis]

@TheChair

//but the rules will be made without any consultation with the the UK. //

Fair point and U expect much repetition of this phrase during the referendum debate.

But what does it mean in practice? Most consultations end up with the objectors (motorways, wind farms, tidal barrages, estuarine airports) being roundly ignored. The sole purpose of the consultation appears to be to equip the politicians with the ability to say "look, we consulted the public about this" without that being a lie.

Under what circumstances do you imagine the in-EU UK being able to drum through an amendment - to our benefit - at a consultation session where 20-odd other nations are also trying to stick their oar in.

A five or six member EU, we just might get our way but that is history. It is time to bail out. We're paving eastern Europe at the expense of our own pothole-infested comedy of a road network.

I've mentioned peninsular effect on another thread, today. I think we'd be similarly neglected if we stayed in the EU.

If we're getting targetted development grants from the EU, that makes them look good but how much of that is just us getting our own subs back?

[jourdain2]

Quite right, hypo. - we are just getting back some of what we have paid in. I was quite pleased that the Prince of Darkness has openly weighed in - much better to be able to see what he is doing. He should sway quite a lot of votes towards 'No'. My main worry is that we have not bred enough backbone into the younger generation for them to understand that we'll be fine on our own. Hope someone can make this clear to them.