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Why are we so hypocritical in this country when it comes to the rights of animals?
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Fox hunting is a tradition of this country and has been for many centuries. It's a social event where communities gather and bond and it keeps hundreds in work in parts of the county where unemployment is high.
Here's a question for you, if a snare is illegal then why isn't a mouse trap? Why can we club fish and seals to death? How comes we can shoot stags and anything else we feel like poaching but when it comes to foxes we get high and mighty about it? This government who, may I add spent 145 hours of commons time debating this bill and only spent 4 hours debating Iraq has lead this country's traditions into a sad state of affairs.
Is this anti hunt mobs argument really an issue over animal cruelty or is it more a matter of class?
Here's a question for you, if a snare is illegal then why isn't a mouse trap? Why can we club fish and seals to death? How comes we can shoot stags and anything else we feel like poaching but when it comes to foxes we get high and mighty about it? This government who, may I add spent 145 hours of commons time debating this bill and only spent 4 hours debating Iraq has lead this country's traditions into a sad state of affairs.
Is this anti hunt mobs argument really an issue over animal cruelty or is it more a matter of class?
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No "Jimmonas" I would dispense with the bear baiting and dog fighting. It's the pratts killing foxes I can't stand.
You take away a creatures habitat by digging it up,building on it then wonder why the animal (if still alive ) is in your back yard looking for food.
Humans do the same with bears in certain areas of the U.S. and if a bear is seen to be hanging around the newly built houses too much, they shoot it.
Yes my initial answer was a cynical one but I did not resort to calling people names.
You take away a creatures habitat by digging it up,building on it then wonder why the animal (if still alive ) is in your back yard looking for food.
Humans do the same with bears in certain areas of the U.S. and if a bear is seen to be hanging around the newly built houses too much, they shoot it.
Yes my initial answer was a cynical one but I did not resort to calling people names.
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ollyjolly - You brought up the fact that more time is spent on this subject and not iraq. If that is the main concern for the AB, then post that question on Soceity & Culture or News and not Animal & Nature.
Answer Bank - Where is your respone to all of this? I take it your happy to see what reaction you get from us all then you can spend the rest of your afternoon sitting at your desk laughing?
Answer Bank - Where is your respone to all of this? I take it your happy to see what reaction you get from us all then you can spend the rest of your afternoon sitting at your desk laughing?
I don't think it's about class at all. I think that's the hunters poor discrimination pleas. I hate cruelty to all animals whoever perpetuates it. As for freedom to do what you like? Did the hunters come out and say that when the government of the nineties wanted to ban Hunt Saboteurs?
Why are we so hypocritical....? AB speak for yourself because you do not speak for me.
Why are we so hypocritical....? AB speak for yourself because you do not speak for me.
Fox culling has to go on. The density of their population has to be controlled for farmers and the like. These are predative animals and population control is essential.
They are coming closer to town now due to building on their natural envoironments. Shame.
I have never been a fan of fox hunting myself, the anti hunt mobs? a real strange mix there and no doubt some were anti class, although they had no morals themselves...... (digging up dead bodies) and some were anti animal cruelty.
The governments, aeons ago, were responsible for introducing the strains of myxomatosis that keep the rabbit population under control.
They die a horrific death from this. No one seems to be upset by it though. Too late now?
Only 4 hours debating Iraq? human life over an animals? hmmmm..... 145 hrs for a fox 4 hrs for an Iraqi lol..... Shame.
Humanely shoot to cull.
They are coming closer to town now due to building on their natural envoironments. Shame.
I have never been a fan of fox hunting myself, the anti hunt mobs? a real strange mix there and no doubt some were anti class, although they had no morals themselves...... (digging up dead bodies) and some were anti animal cruelty.
The governments, aeons ago, were responsible for introducing the strains of myxomatosis that keep the rabbit population under control.
They die a horrific death from this. No one seems to be upset by it though. Too late now?
Only 4 hours debating Iraq? human life over an animals? hmmmm..... 145 hrs for a fox 4 hrs for an Iraqi lol..... Shame.
Humanely shoot to cull.
Morals? Do you know that 2 hunt saboteurs have been killed by hunts? How often is that fact conveniently swept under the carpet when describing the saboteurs as the violent ones. I read in my local paper a huntsman in Devon was convicted the other week of attacking an old lady hunt monitor. I wish people would remember all the real facts of who perpetuates the violence and not the ones rammed down our throats by the people who try to discredit any sort of protest.
To compare it to the debates in Iraq is too easy, I think most people would like to see Iraq debated more. It's not our fault it hasn't been. The reason the debates have been so long about hunting has partially been due to pro hunt MPs trying to talk it out of parliament.
To compare it to the debates in Iraq is too easy, I think most people would like to see Iraq debated more. It's not our fault it hasn't been. The reason the debates have been so long about hunting has partially been due to pro hunt MPs trying to talk it out of parliament.
All these stories about foxes being released into the area to be hunted, foxholes stopped up and now even their pads being torn open - this is really the stuff of fairy tales!
This is the sort of stuff put about by the so called animal rights campaigners - the same ones who spray horses and hounds with aerosols and blow horns into their faces to put them off their work, and wave banners under horses heads.
And just for the record Elvis - hunts NEVER meet on a Sunday.
This is the sort of stuff put about by the so called animal rights campaigners - the same ones who spray horses and hounds with aerosols and blow horns into their faces to put them off their work, and wave banners under horses heads.
And just for the record Elvis - hunts NEVER meet on a Sunday.
Don't quote me, but I also heard that fox hunters deliberately release foxes in areas where they hunt.
Well they took them to Australia for that very reason.
Foxes can be a bane to farmers. A well known fact. And a farmer shooting a nuisance fox that insists on killing all his chickens.
Foxes are animals thats their nature.What excuse does a hunt have for its barbaric practice?
Framers don't want to share their land with anything really and besides which when all the foxes have gone they will start to complain about to many rabbits eating everything. Its always something with them.
It is very much a class issue. Well where were all the fox hunters when hare coursing was banned?
The truth is hunting is enjoyed by people from all walks of life, and although people are entitled to their opinions either for or against why should they be allowed to dictate what others can and can't do?
Why in that case should a bunch of supposedly civilised red coated twits be allowed to dictate policy on the subject either when by the way most poeple think its a horrid "sport."
The Fox is the only natural dog left in this country and with wild life on the decline why do it. Fox hunting isn't that old. When you quote centries old tradition you make it sound like it been around since medievil times. But its only becaome popular since the likes of wolves and bears were hunted to extiction by the upper classes. What next the humble bunny.
We don't club baby seals to death here and as ponted out there are humane mouse traps. If we want other countries to stop barbaric practices then we should start here.
Besides which Princes Charles keeps saying he'll leave the country if its banned completely. That another good reason to knock it on the head.
Well they took them to Australia for that very reason.
Foxes can be a bane to farmers. A well known fact. And a farmer shooting a nuisance fox that insists on killing all his chickens.
Foxes are animals thats their nature.What excuse does a hunt have for its barbaric practice?
Framers don't want to share their land with anything really and besides which when all the foxes have gone they will start to complain about to many rabbits eating everything. Its always something with them.
It is very much a class issue. Well where were all the fox hunters when hare coursing was banned?
The truth is hunting is enjoyed by people from all walks of life, and although people are entitled to their opinions either for or against why should they be allowed to dictate what others can and can't do?
Why in that case should a bunch of supposedly civilised red coated twits be allowed to dictate policy on the subject either when by the way most poeple think its a horrid "sport."
The Fox is the only natural dog left in this country and with wild life on the decline why do it. Fox hunting isn't that old. When you quote centries old tradition you make it sound like it been around since medievil times. But its only becaome popular since the likes of wolves and bears were hunted to extiction by the upper classes. What next the humble bunny.
We don't club baby seals to death here and as ponted out there are humane mouse traps. If we want other countries to stop barbaric practices then we should start here.
Besides which Princes Charles keeps saying he'll leave the country if its banned completely. That another good reason to knock it on the head.
its not to control numbers as nature would balance itself out, if the fox population got to high the population of its prey obviously depending on whether it was hunting or eating chickens from farms, would go down therefore the fox population would decrease, nature balances itself out humans just like to get in the way and make it look like their helping so they can use it as an excuse to kill
Ha Ha Ha. Well done AB I can't belive you got such a responce to a question that's been debated so many times!!! It 's so funny to read so many " I heard that " replies
For the record Hunters are wellie boots, and I'm not sure how they would kill a fox, unless you stamped on it, not easy.
Only the Master wear's a red coat, the rest wear black or tweed (so sorry, no brightly coloured coats)
Lankeela is correct no hunting on Sundays, so even the day is wrong.
Give us another on AB this has soooooo run its course.
For the record Hunters are wellie boots, and I'm not sure how they would kill a fox, unless you stamped on it, not easy.
Only the Master wear's a red coat, the rest wear black or tweed (so sorry, no brightly coloured coats)
Lankeela is correct no hunting on Sundays, so even the day is wrong.
Give us another on AB this has soooooo run its course.
Lankeela. Hunts do release foxes in the area for a chase as I have seen them do it. I have seen with my own eyes, a van pull up and release a fox where the hunt was nearby. The farmer gives them a fox to hunt so they will use his land and they keep up the number of supporters. I'm sure you know full well what goes on. As well as you know animal friendly people do not spray the eyes of dogs and all the other lies the hunts come out with. Oh...and what do the hunts do with their beloved dogs when they are too old to hunt? There is video footage of all of this if you are interested...blocked up holes, dead dogs. I can give you plenty of links.
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It really doesn't matter what colour they have on it still amounts to the same thing.
It also doesn't matter what day it happens it is still a barbaric practices.
Hunter in many dictionary is some one who hunts game, as well as a few other things.
I am thinking you must be a supporter if not correct me if I'm wrong.
If you are then that accounts for your comment concerning rather unimportant thing such as word deffinition and what day its on. Lets face it its unimportant things like this that hunt supporters seem side tracked by and attempt to side track everyone else with.
The matter still stands not only are hunters (the ones on horse back and not wellies seeing as you want to be picky) are just nasty people not only to animals but also to those who oppose them.
I've seen the evidence on hat hunters and their followers are like so what excuse is there and yes I have also seen what a fox can do to a chicken run and their reason is they are just animals and thats how they behave. What excuse do hunters have.
It really doesn't matter what colour they have on it still amounts to the same thing.
It also doesn't matter what day it happens it is still a barbaric practices.
Hunter in many dictionary is some one who hunts game, as well as a few other things.
I am thinking you must be a supporter if not correct me if I'm wrong.
If you are then that accounts for your comment concerning rather unimportant thing such as word deffinition and what day its on. Lets face it its unimportant things like this that hunt supporters seem side tracked by and attempt to side track everyone else with.
The matter still stands not only are hunters (the ones on horse back and not wellies seeing as you want to be picky) are just nasty people not only to animals but also to those who oppose them.
I've seen the evidence on hat hunters and their followers are like so what excuse is there and yes I have also seen what a fox can do to a chicken run and their reason is they are just animals and thats how they behave. What excuse do hunters have.
I think the premise being put forward here is fundamentally flawed.
Fox hunting is a 'social event' for those who can afford to keep horses, hardly 'communities'. more small social groups. Keeping people in work is hardly a justification for perpetuating animal cruelty - that argument taken to its logical conculsion means that firing squads should replace lethal injections because it gives 'employment' to more people - a facile argument.
A mousetrap is a humane killing method, with alternatives available - a snare is not. We shouldn't allow clubbing fish and seals to death, and we shouldn't differentiate between any aspects of cruelty.
Using one disgraceful lack of democratic process to infer that another was given excessive time is a similarly flawed argument. Of course the Iraq situation should have been given a full and proper debate, but the inference that parliament arbitrarily decided to disucss hunting ad nauseum and simply wave through a declaration of war is not only flawed logic, it is patently untrue, and uses the facts to back up an already shakey argument.
Fox hunting as a matter of class is an easy stick to beat the hunting brigade with. Fox hunting embraces all classes - you don't have to be rich to be barbaric.
Fox hunting is a 'social event' for those who can afford to keep horses, hardly 'communities'. more small social groups. Keeping people in work is hardly a justification for perpetuating animal cruelty - that argument taken to its logical conculsion means that firing squads should replace lethal injections because it gives 'employment' to more people - a facile argument.
A mousetrap is a humane killing method, with alternatives available - a snare is not. We shouldn't allow clubbing fish and seals to death, and we shouldn't differentiate between any aspects of cruelty.
Using one disgraceful lack of democratic process to infer that another was given excessive time is a similarly flawed argument. Of course the Iraq situation should have been given a full and proper debate, but the inference that parliament arbitrarily decided to disucss hunting ad nauseum and simply wave through a declaration of war is not only flawed logic, it is patently untrue, and uses the facts to back up an already shakey argument.
Fox hunting as a matter of class is an easy stick to beat the hunting brigade with. Fox hunting embraces all classes - you don't have to be rich to be barbaric.
If my livelihood was dependent on chasing to ground a poor little fox and then allowing dogs to tear it to shreds then i would rather be unemployed and living on the streets!
Just because it's been going on for hundreds of years doesn't make it right. Do you like animals? Could you imagine the fear and pain involved for the poor little fox! SHUDDER!!!!!! Oh and i hate mouse traps too. It's all barbaric and vicious. My work put down little cubes of rat poison and i rounded them all up and tossed them in the bin. I even move snails off of the pavement so they dont get smooshed. And 145 hours of the hours of commons time isn't enough in my book. I hate hunting and fishing too.
Just because it's been going on for hundreds of years doesn't make it right. Do you like animals? Could you imagine the fear and pain involved for the poor little fox! SHUDDER!!!!!! Oh and i hate mouse traps too. It's all barbaric and vicious. My work put down little cubes of rat poison and i rounded them all up and tossed them in the bin. I even move snails off of the pavement so they dont get smooshed. And 145 hours of the hours of commons time isn't enough in my book. I hate hunting and fishing too.
Fox Hunting is cruel and barbaric and should have been banned years ago. There are humane ways to cull animals. As Andy Hughes says it is not just a 'sport' for the rich and landed gentry. Many country dwellers take part or watch the hunt. However, the vast majority of country dwellers are firmly against hunting. A great deal of hunt supports also come down from the towns and cities to have a 'jolly day out' when our local hunts take place. There is no excuse for it at all, and, as a rural man through and through, I have no time for anyone who supports hunting and lies about the need for it to continue.
As many have pointed out just because it is a tradition does not make it right. Why should a small minority have the right to act as they like? If they disobey the new laws then throw them in dark cells and give them bread and water, or perhaps hang them in a public square - after all it would only be going back to our old traditions!!!!
As many have pointed out just because it is a tradition does not make it right. Why should a small minority have the right to act as they like? If they disobey the new laws then throw them in dark cells and give them bread and water, or perhaps hang them in a public square - after all it would only be going back to our old traditions!!!!
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