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plural or singular
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Hi, i have a problem. I know there was a rule that stated that you are required to use the singular for
a situation
similar to the following, but i can't remember exactly what the situation was
mary's books and peter's pen are/is on the table?
Can someone please tell me the rules of agreement in cases like this?
a situation
similar to the following, but i can't remember exactly what the situation was
mary's books and peter's pen are/is on the table?
Can someone please tell me the rules of agreement in cases like this?
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(Perhaps the trickier case you are thinking of is with OR rather than AND: Mary's book or Peter's pen IS on the table ... since only one thing is. Mary's books or Peter's pen.... ummm... that is tricky as you don't know whether it's one thing or more than one thing.)
(Perhaps the trickier case you are thinking of is with OR rather than AND: Mary's book or Peter's pen IS on the table ... since only one thing is. Mary's books or Peter's pen.... ummm... that is tricky as you don't know whether it's one thing or more than one thing.)
haruhichan that singular sounds odd to me but I am DaForeigner so never mind me, I'm just here to advise you to ask over at Phrases & Sayings instead - you'll get more replies there.
I'm guessing that what you're thinking of must be certain phrases like for instance "the world and his aunt" (I've only just learned that one so it springs to mind!), where the aunt is... attributive, I guess? ...and following which I'm guessing you could use either one - is or are.
But I am really just guessing and I'm not good at grammar in my own language either, so as I say, get yourself over to the correct category and you'll get good replies.
I'm guessing that what you're thinking of must be certain phrases like for instance "the world and his aunt" (I've only just learned that one so it springs to mind!), where the aunt is... attributive, I guess? ...and following which I'm guessing you could use either one - is or are.
But I am really just guessing and I'm not good at grammar in my own language either, so as I say, get yourself over to the correct category and you'll get good replies.
yes, I think that's right, the world and his aunt are at the party... but bear in mind that it's a deliberately surreal sort of expression anyway, supposed to sound peculiar, so you could probably get away with 'is'.
Embarrassingly, you can generally rely on DaSwede to speak better English than those who grew up with it...
Embarrassingly, you can generally rely on DaSwede to speak better English than those who grew up with it...
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'Bread and butter is good for you' and 'Bread and butter are good for you' are both perfectly acceptable as they do not mean the same thing! The first means the two substances together...ie the second spread on the first...have become effectively a separate entity requiring a singular verb. The second means each individual substance is good in its own right.
In your exmple, the plural 'are' is definitely required, since several books and one pen still represent a plural quantity.
In situations such as the one outlined by J above, writers frequently apply the 'rule' - for want of a better word - that you should use whichever verb-form applies to the closer of the two items. You thus have the choice of writing "Mary's books or Peter's pen is on the table" or "Peter's pen or Mary's books are on the table."
In your exmple, the plural 'are' is definitely required, since several books and one pen still represent a plural quantity.
In situations such as the one outlined by J above, writers frequently apply the 'rule' - for want of a better word - that you should use whichever verb-form applies to the closer of the two items. You thus have the choice of writing "Mary's books or Peter's pen is on the table" or "Peter's pen or Mary's books are on the table."
yes, thank you, that was the answer i was looking for, because i found it written like that in several instances, that is agreeing with the last item used, which has always sounded odd to me, because in my language it never applies, and i was just wondering if it is a poetic license or an actual rule that i had failed to interpret properly.
i know the example i gave wasn't exactly the best one, i think it might have been rather confusing, because i didn't know exactly how to formulate my question.
thank you very much for all your help, everyone
i know the example i gave wasn't exactly the best one, i think it might have been rather confusing, because i didn't know exactly how to formulate my question.
thank you very much for all your help, everyone