Animal testing

[4getmenot]

Ok I might start a bit of a debate here, but stemming from another question on whether collection 2000 is tested on animals, If you found out the make-up you use was tested on animals would it stop you buying it?

[4getmenot]

My view is that it wouldn�t stop me using it at all. Cures for human diseases have been found through the use of animal testing. I am a meat eater and surely this is how we survive.

[carrust]

I've no problem with the testing of animals for medical reasons. However, i'm dead against testing for cosmetics. Why should an animal suffer for the vacuous vanity of women. I feel the same way about fur coats etc.

[4getmenot]

good point, but can I ask do you check every cosmetic you buy to see if its tested on animals or not

[carrust]

Er, i'm a bloke, so I don't buy cosmetics. I don't even wear aftershave.

[4getmenot]

I personally wouldn�t wear a fur coat because they are hideous things anyway but I would wear leather and suede and not even think about it. I�m sure most of the people that are against animal testing still have a pair of leather shoes or suede boots

[4getmenot]

just because you're a bloke doesnt mean you dont wear cosmetics. Ever heard of metrosexuals lol. What about shampoo, do you look to see if it is tested on animals, and dont tell me you are bald :-)

[mccfluff]

interesting one, i buy my cosmetics and body stuff from lush/body shop but i do dye my hair and i hadn't thought of that, bu&&er

[4getmenot]

so would it stop you using hair dye fluff?

[carrust]

I've got a full head of hair thank you. I only use body-shop shampoo & soap. I also use their polish to put a good shine on my halo : )

[nat_84]

i wouldnt stop using/buying it. Who knows what goes where these days, chemicals, toxins, different methods of testing... we never really know where anything comes from or what its tested on. Be it make-up or food!

[mccfluff]

well i am growing it out at the mo because i fancy changing the colour but when it comes round toi it, i'll look at the veg/ henna dyes but i've never found them to be much good so i doubt it

[Babz]

The answer is to check that your make up, toiletries or any ingredients haven't been tested on animals BEFORE you buy them. I have walked away from buying stuff I need many a time because it's been tested, I feel that strongly about it. Also about household cleaners, washing products etc. there are BUAV approved alternatives for everything you use, the Co-op do a very good range.

Incidentally the body shop is now owned by L'oreal one of the worst offenders for animal testing.

[Champagne]

If I found out that any of the companies I buy from tested on animals then I would cease buying their products immediately. I certainly can't endorse Nat_84's attitude on the matter. I agree that consumers don't know the source or background of most products we use these days, but that's no reason to shrug it off and play ignorant.

I'm a carnivore too, but I like to know that the animal I'm eating has had the opportunity to frolic around in an open field in the UK.

Let's think about it this way: to anybody who endorses animal testing, would you be willing to eat the animal after it had been tested on? e.g. a rabbit.

And for all those people using Bodyshop products. Does it not now bother you that The Bodyshop has been bought out by L'Oreal, who are known to test on animals? So all of your best intentions are lining the pockets of a company that goes against your ethics?

[Goodsoulette]

Most definitely and as for the blokes who say I dont buy cosmetics. You buy soap, toothpaste and shampoo. So next time you wash your hair think about the poor rabbits who have shampoo dropped in there eyes to see how irritating it is.

I dont use the body shop, its been well documented for yours that their antianimal testing stance is somewhat dubious. Lush is the way forward, totally natural and have started a makeup range too. Oddly clinique are very pro alternative testing methods.

[nat_84]

chillax champagne!

I truly apologise if i offended anyone in my ignorant attitude on the matter.

[nat_84]

and my friend works in Bodyshop so i get freebies.. and i'm not one to turn a freebie down.

[4getmenot]

I use L-oreal quite a lot, the fake tan stuff. And checking it isn�t testing on animals isn�t the answer for me as I said I wouldn�t change what I buy just because of that. How many of you have leather shoes? Or a suede jacket? And champagne somehow I think an animal enjoying the lovely countryside, hopping and skipping then being butchered makes it worse. And Nat you havent offended me, you're right god knows what goes into anything nowadays

[Goodsoulette]

4getmenot, eating meat is a little different to testing cosmetics on animals. Eating meat is food, and you could be a responsible meat products buyer and find out from a butcher (not a supermarket) where your meat comes from and whether they use a good slaughterhouse. If this is the case then http://www.lintonj.freeserve.co.uk/cosmeticsdr aizeeyeirritancytestsonrabbits.jpg this sort of thing certainly wont be happening to your cows, chickens and sheep before you eat them. Meat eating and cosmetic testing are incomparable.

Well done Champagne, I was starting to lose faith a bit reading the answers.

[4getmenot]

yes it is, as I said we need to eat and we are top of the food chain, so why do people with leather shoes not see this as feeding their vanity

[Goodsoulette]

why bother with any animal rights at all then? Keep chickens in barns and cages. Keep veal in the dark. Pull cows away from their mothers as soon as they are born. Traditional farmers have the deepest respect for their animals, they often stay with their animals to the very last minute of the slaughter process to make sure they are treated with respect. Whats the point though? Could you really eat a beef burger, knowing the animal hadn't been looked after whilst alive, was kept in cramped and cruel conditions and was slaughtered badly. I couldnt.

I'm assuming you think medical research is a necessity, if cosmetic testing makes no difference to you. Lets hope they run out of other animals to test and come after your pets. Then we'll see how you feel.

I think we are too much a want, want, want generation and dont care about where things come from. Its beyond me.