Deaths

[ukanonymous]

Hey peeps I dont usually get all political but..... hehe always a but. If you look at these statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/totaldeathsin2019and2020sofarintheuk

Isnt this proof there is no pandemic? I understand that with lockdowns etc there will be less traffic accidents etc etc but also there are more deaths from diseases such as cancer etc because of the lack of treatment.

Anyhoo maybe I am wrong but what is all the commotion about when there is no significant increase in deaths?

If you look at the BBC they are saying hospitals are over run yet look at this lady's video the hospital is empty and she ended up getting arrested https://twitter.com/ninnyd101/status/1343527984976842752?s=19

Why are we being spoon fed fear and why does a bit of very basic research show this all to be not as we think?

I also know a lady with late stage lung, liver and cervical cancer die , get covid put on the death cert as well as one lady who died of dimetia.

None of it makes sense to me why does everything g contradict what is being pushed by the TV news?

[allenlondon]

There should be a special place for fools like you.

[TheChair]

According to the figures in your link, the 2019 weekly average was approx. 10,208. The 2020 weekly average was 11,518. So roughly 1,309 deaths per week more in 2020 than 2019. I'd say that that was pretty good evidence of a pandemic.

[Dagman]

Unbelievable, you are kidding right?

[Dagman]

That's for OP

[ukanonymous]

Kidding about the people who I know who died and had covid written on the death certificate when it shouldn't? No... however the rest is speculation apart from the statistics also.

[ummmm]

It's attitudes like yours that is spreading the virus.

[Dagman]

So what's your point? You believe, you don't believe.

[ummmm]

Non believers are more likely to not wear masks or socially distance.

[ukanonymous]

Dagman I'm not sure why you are making such comments i beleive I do beleive i dont beleive I guess but how is that informative to anyone.

I wonder how many people out of the 10k per month that die have heart disease or disease caused by unhealthy lifestyles. Im sure uts more than covid. If that's the case why the lock downs? Why not the regulation of sugar intake like drugs etc? All of it makes no sense to me. I cant stop thinking about it and the way they are pushing this vaccine has me petrified :(

[bobbinwales]

//... the people who I know who died and had covid written on the death certificate when it shouldn't? //

Your unlucky to know so many. Sorry for your losses. Was it one, two, ten? What do you think the real causes were.

Whatever was written on the death certificate deaths are up a lot. And we know flue deaths are way down because of social distancing, masks. The rests mainly covid but probly allso because of delays in treatment for other thing's like cancer, heart, lungs.

Whatevers written on the death certificate doesnt effect the UK figures, there only counted as covid deaths if there was a positive covid test. Yes of these some would of died of other things to but there may be others who died of covid reasons but were'nt tested and so were'nt counted as covid.

You allso might want to ask your self why the covid wards and the doctors and nurses are so busy. That woman filmed one ward ona bank hioliday. Are you saying all the doctors and nurses are lying or mistaken??? Some of my neices and a cousin are nurses and you are so so wrong!!

[bobbinwales]

//and the way they are pushing this vaccine has me petrified :(//

Yes there going to tie you down and inject you as soon as the Bill Gaites microchips are ready.
A thought you were in France or somewhere anyway?

[rowanwitch]

It is that there are a number of people in the figures who have really died of other causes. Within 28 days of a positive test. That is stated at almost every briefing. Yes it quite stupidly includes deaths due to road accidents, cancer, heart disease and everything else. The time to be sure is when those figures are corrected, after a lot of staff examine the data and reassign deaths to more appropriate causes. From experience in reviewing death data I can tell you it is likely the overall drop will be about 7-10%. (Based on deaths wrongly attributed to seasonal flu ) I only question whether they will bother as it's a huge waste of personnel who could be used in helping things return to normal.

What you do have to take into account is the fall in other deaths, fewer flu, pneumonia, post falls in the elderly etc. This means excess deaths is a pretty random measure. It's one time when actual deaths is a better way of showing the trend. if you mentally take off the percentage for incorrect cause assignment it is still a serious pandemic. And it is killing those who would normally expect to survive a flu, or a similar virus because of its secondary auto immune/ inflammatory effects.

[jno]

those figures don't compare directly. One's for the whole of 2019. The other is for only 46 weeks of 2020. So they're almost identical and yet there was still a month and a half to go. Every death in that last 6 weeks was the excess over the year before.

What could have caused that? Massive increase in traffic accidents? Meteor hitting Runcorn? Tsunami washing away East Anglia?

[rowanwitch]

If they want experienced volunteers to come out of retirement and do the data correction I would do it gladly. People should know what caused the deaths of their loved ones. It's depressing work but I think it would be useful.

[bobbinwales]

Agree a pretty much about heart problems, cancer but the deaths from road accidents/knocked over by a bus within 28 days often comes up but is a red herring surely. Of the 73000 or so deaths counted a guess less than a handfull were due to road accidents. And given that only around 10% of people have had covid youd expect only a small proportion of deaths that werent really covid related to coincide with a positive test. A cant see it changing the overall picture much .
The original measure of covid deaths gave much higher figures- a remember when the overall figure was adjusted down by around 10000

[ukanonymous]

Bob i directly know 2 people who died and had covid written when it should not have been. I also k ow a girl who works in the icu in Leeds infirmary and she says its just normal. Her and her husband actually had covid too.

[wolf63]

The alternative would be to do a post mortem to ascertain the exact cause of death and to find out if Covid was the culprit. That should cost a few billion £ and achieve nothing.

[tomus42]

It's all being done so that Bill Gates can find out what time you went to Tescos, and which type of biscuits you bought.

[ummmm]

And why would Bill Gates be interested in that?

[bobbinwales]

Was a joke ummmm AFAIK