Lord Peter Mandelson, Uk Ambassador
News1 min ago
Easing Of Lockdown.
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Ahead of the govt announcemnet today, I give you this quote from The Sunday Times of Feb 14th:
"The deaths from Covid have been, across the year, not much more than double the number of excess winter deaths in a bad flu year. We impose no restrictions on the population for seasonal flu, but close society down entirely for Covid. That makes little logical sense. Still less when you add in the 225,000 operations cancelled as a consequence of lockdown.
By the end of this month, the NHS will be under scarcely any greater pressure than it is normally at the beginning of March, given the decrease in infections. The elderly will have been vaccinated.
So who, exactly, is it that we're protecting? Is the plan to create a country in which people die happily of many things, as they always have, but never, mercifully, of Covid"
No mention either of the billions paid out in fraudulent business claims during lockdown. Money that should have gone to the NHS in the first place.
The figures are as high as they are BECAUSE of the govt and "the science", not IN SPITE of them.
But if everyone is happy to continue in lockdown, then stay in lockdown. If everyone believes all the publicity and propaganda from the govt, then stay with it. You think you know it makes sense. Don't you? Apart from that, everything's fine thanks. :o)
"The deaths from Covid have been, across the year, not much more than double the number of excess winter deaths in a bad flu year. We impose no restrictions on the population for seasonal flu, but close society down entirely for Covid. That makes little logical sense. Still less when you add in the 225,000 operations cancelled as a consequence of lockdown.
By the end of this month, the NHS will be under scarcely any greater pressure than it is normally at the beginning of March, given the decrease in infections. The elderly will have been vaccinated.
So who, exactly, is it that we're protecting? Is the plan to create a country in which people die happily of many things, as they always have, but never, mercifully, of Covid"
No mention either of the billions paid out in fraudulent business claims during lockdown. Money that should have gone to the NHS in the first place.
The figures are as high as they are BECAUSE of the govt and "the science", not IN SPITE of them.
But if everyone is happy to continue in lockdown, then stay in lockdown. If everyone believes all the publicity and propaganda from the govt, then stay with it. You think you know it makes sense. Don't you? Apart from that, everything's fine thanks. :o)
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First: "not much more than double" is quite a lot, really.
Bear in mind that flu has probably taken a back seat this time round because of the extra precautions, possibly extra vaccinations, and the fact that people have dies of something else instead as well.
Umless you subscribe to the "it's all fake news" view, which I'm sure you don't, then you'll have noticed that the difference this time is a lot more hospital admissions than normal. The scary thing about Covid is that there is no cure, and until now there's been no vaccine. That is why it's been taken so seriously.
"By the end of this month, the NHS will be under scarcely any greater pressure than it is normally at the beginning of March"
This may, who knows, be down to some of the restrictions we all complain about.
Bear in mind that flu has probably taken a back seat this time round because of the extra precautions, possibly extra vaccinations, and the fact that people have dies of something else instead as well.
Umless you subscribe to the "it's all fake news" view, which I'm sure you don't, then you'll have noticed that the difference this time is a lot more hospital admissions than normal. The scary thing about Covid is that there is no cure, and until now there's been no vaccine. That is why it's been taken so seriously.
"By the end of this month, the NHS will be under scarcely any greater pressure than it is normally at the beginning of March"
This may, who knows, be down to some of the restrictions we all complain about.
The number of deaths we have has been endured despite the fact that the vast, vast majority of people in the UK have not caught the virus... the deaths of a "bad flu year" will result from a far higher number of people catching it than currently have Covid. If more people did catch the virus then the death rate would be catastrophic - look at what has happened in the USA.
Clarion, you repeatedly make some interesting points.
Since the inception of the NHS and despite it being the "envy of the world" people have been dying on waiting lists awaiting their operation. Nothing to do with Covid.
Never in my experience have we had ,arguably, 1,500 patients dying of one disease daily....daily...and spreading exponentially. That couldn't be allowed to continue in what is thought by most ABers to be a civilised society.
Yes the Government have been responsible for Covid deaths due to tardy responses.
Yes, industry and commerce have been badly hit by the management of the pandemic.
Yes there are arguments for and against lockdowns and severe personal restrictions and who would want to enforce such life changing decisions?
We are slowly emerging out of this quagmire thanks to decisions made, some good, some bad, all inconvenient, by our Scientists, Politicians and in my opinion, to a lesser extent by the British public.
Since the inception of the NHS and despite it being the "envy of the world" people have been dying on waiting lists awaiting their operation. Nothing to do with Covid.
Never in my experience have we had ,arguably, 1,500 patients dying of one disease daily....daily...and spreading exponentially. That couldn't be allowed to continue in what is thought by most ABers to be a civilised society.
Yes the Government have been responsible for Covid deaths due to tardy responses.
Yes, industry and commerce have been badly hit by the management of the pandemic.
Yes there are arguments for and against lockdowns and severe personal restrictions and who would want to enforce such life changing decisions?
We are slowly emerging out of this quagmire thanks to decisions made, some good, some bad, all inconvenient, by our Scientists, Politicians and in my opinion, to a lesser extent by the British public.
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TTT you can be a bit odious at times - you've been told on more than one occasion that's not why they returned - not that it's any of my nor your business.
For those worried that there will be nothing to doom about once this is somewhat over - apparently there will be a huge flu epidemic next winter because we've all distanced so much we've lost our immunity.
For those worried that there will be nothing to doom about once this is somewhat over - apparently there will be a huge flu epidemic next winter because we've all distanced so much we've lost our immunity.
untitled: "If sqad has criticisms of the nhs that is his right." - I agree, I also have criticisms but he twists every post round to knock the NHS. - It's my right to address the balance and I will never let the anti British go unchallenged that is also my right. I wonder what private clinic will be administering sqad's vaccination
