Do You Think There Will Be Another Lockdown?

[gordiescotland1]

Hi there
Do you think there will be another lockdown this winter. I am in Scotland. I will be devastated if there is. I have organised a 50th Birthday party for myself early January. I see so many people not wearing masks on public transport or shops and a lot of unvaccinated people. It really infuriates me. I will have had booster by this time tomorrow

[Redhelen72]

The question was ‘do you think there will be another lockdown’ inferring that a yes or no answer would be suffice, therefore Annea nor I need to give a larger response.

[ToraToraTora]

Gromit: "We currently have more daily deaths than we did last November when no one was vaccinated. " - 22 Nov 2020: 474, yesterday 157. Stop it with the BS gromit, what is your agenda here? Are you angry because your predicted and no doubt hoped for lockdown didn't happen with 6 weeks of July 19?

[ToraToraTora]

jim: "one thing that Gromit is missing, though, is the trajectory. " - I think he's missing a lot more than that.
"I can't understand the point Gromit's making" - no one can he's cherry picking at best, fabricating at worst. I wish I know what his agenda was here.

[ToraToraTora]

anne: "Simple answer , IMO. Coming into winter. Yes . :-( " - care to share your reasoning with us?

[ToraToraTora]

gromit: "16th November last year there were 168 deaths from Covid in the UK. No one was vaccinated."
no there were 423, and we were in lockdown that's the difference you can't seem to grasp, yesterday there were 156 and we have not been in lockdown since April.

[ichkeria]

"No other pandemic in history has been handled in the way this one has. It has been an experiment in mass restrictions on civil liberties"

I can't be certain, but I suspect that isn't true. On the subject of face masks, there's nothing new there. I think there was mass unrest n the US at the time of the pandemic after WWI, at the requirement to wear face masks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/us/mask-protests-1918.html

[anneasquith]

Ttt, no thanks. I gave a reply to the OP . There are more than enough ‘ long winded’ replies on the subject .

[ToraToraTora]

RedHelen: "The question was ‘do you think there will be another lockdown inferring that a yes or no answer would be suffice, therefore Annea nor I need to give a larger response. " - did you also note the word "think" in there? That implies that the answer would have been thought about. Clearly not in your cases because no reasoning appears to be forthcoming.

[New Judge]

//16th November last year there were 168 deaths from Covid in the UK. No one was vaccinated.

Tuesday this week there were 262 daily deaths and most people have been vaccinated.//

You keep on quoting a single day’s figures (most of them incorrectly, but no matter). As I said earlier, try Monday 1st November (when there were 40) and Monday 8th (57). As a very minimum you should consider a seven day average because nobody seems to be able to count properly the number of deaths which occurred over the weekend.

//No thinks the infected should just go out or work as normal for the sake of the economy..//

Not simply for the sake of the economy, bob, as I’m sure you know if you read my post properly. The damage to (non-Covid) health, to children’s education and people’s general wellbeing has been enormous.

[Deskdiary]

Since the very start Gromit has got stats wrong, and has never, ever, given context..so yes, I think he has an agenda.

[Togo]

// I think he has an agenda.//

Perhaps he is unwell.

[naomi24]

Painful. You can get cream for that.

[Deskdiary]

I honestly don’t get why he does it. The UK is in better shape than most of Europe now, and yet he still banks on about the number of positive tests, still gets numbers wrong, and still gives numbers with no context.

It’s as though he wants the UK to be the worst; it’s just weird.

To be fair, given some of the times he posts nonsense, he’s probably drunk, but even so.

[naomi24]

He banks (yes, I know yours was a typo DD) on the reader either being ill informed or too lazy to check out what he’s saying.

[jim360]

I was struggling to work out what the typo was and kept thinking you were changing a different letter in "banks" :P

[bobbinwales]

Gromit speaks alot of sense sometimes and is right that we shouldnt be complacent on Covid in UK and that overall are figures have not been good, but I agree his cherrypicking dates and figures and giving wrong data on this ... I commented on something he said earlier and said it was an own goal

[ToraToraTora]

"Gromit speaks alot of sense sometimes" - must have been out that day.

[Deskdiary]

Bobbinwales is spot on.

Of course we shouldn’t be complacent - I’m not (and in the three months I’ve taken four flights abroad so have taken precautions) but it’s Gromit’s constant cherrypicking that I’ve found annoying.

[Gromit]

I am not cherry picking, I am providing data points to back up my opinion.
First I said we are worse now than when we come out of lockdown - that was dismissed as irrelevant.
Second I said we are worse than when we went into the third lockdown - that was dismissed as irrelevant.
So I compared it to the same time last year - that too was ignored.

My take is that we can compare the present data to the past, and tweak for new variables such as vaccines,and make aneducated guess at that. But we are all guessing, we don’t know.
By all means shoot down my guess, but if you don’t like my data, supply other figures, don’t dismiss it then offer nothing in reply.

[ToraToraTora]

you were not cherry picking gromit you were cherry BSing. You didn't ever retrieve accurate figures for the most part.