What to do with young girls?

[Oneeyedvic]

Two stories from today:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8227443.s tm

UK teenage girls 'worst drunks'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8230844.stm

'Many girls' abused by boyfriends

The NSPCC says many teenage girls are in abusive relationships

A third of teenage girls suffer sexual abuse in a relationship and a quarter experience violence at the hands of their boyfriends, a survey suggests.

Nearly 90% of 1,400 girls aged 13 to 17 had been in intimate relationships, the NSPCC and University of Bristol found.


Any thoughts on how these two behaviours can be changed?

[ludwig]

The answer to number 1 is to increase the price of alcohol.

The second story is completely unrelated and probably belongs on a separate thread entitled 'what to do with young men?'

[Oneeyedvic]

are young women not in danger of putting themselves in situations due to alcohol impairing their judgement?

[stonekicker]

ummm...people dragging their children up properly and starting to give a stuff about them? i speak as a parent of a 16 year old boy who is (so far, anyway) pretty well behaved, polite and hard working. his girlfriend unfortunately lives in an abusive household and is struggling with life at the moment, but luckily not resorting to said behaviour as her grandparents are very supportive. start fining teenagers, parents and those who cause the behaviours and actually do something about it, instead of the 'old slap on the wrist' culture that has arisen recently.

[ludwig]

Vic, the story is about violence within relationships which is more about the behaviour of men, not women getting drunk.

[keyplus90]

What to do? Control the reason for all the social problems.

ALCOHOL.

Seeeemple.

[jake-the-peg]

Er vic

Those last two quotes - did you put them together or is somebody suggesting that there's a connection between the two.

If so I'd sure like to know why they think that's the case.

And why up to 17? Is it as much of a surprise that 17 year olds have been intimate as 13 year olds.

This makes me suspicious that someone is manipulating the data to get a headline.

I smell the foul stench of dodgy journalism here!

[Sqad]

Zac....agreed, but NSPCC and University of Bristol are reputable institutions.

[jake-the-peg]

Yes Squad - but the Journalists who play "cut and shuffle" with reports like this are not!

[123everton]

Raising the price of alcohol won't solve anything, stopping them from getting it will.
Our inability to stop children from drinking proves to me that the continued prohibition on drugs is needed, because adults cannot be trusted to act responsibly anymore.
The second story is about the poverty of aspiration we used to have a model, an ideal, that for all it's faults worked quite for us for many centuries.
Limp wristed liberals say families have changed and evolved and that we should embrace this and welcome it.
NO!
All the moodern models have one thing in common. they are unstable.
What many of these young girls express (badly) when they have children is that they just want someone who loves them, what they are really saying (I think) is they just want someone who won't leave them.
The best sermon is a good example, British adults need to grow up.

[Oneeyedvic]

Vic, the story is about violence within relationships which is more about the behaviour of men, not women getting drunk.

From the article: Of these, one in six said they had been pressured into sexual intercourse and one in 16 said they had been raped.

As I said, how many of these (the former) were because a girl was drunk and her inhibitions were lowered / didn't think coherently etc and regretted it later?

[Sqad]

jake...in answer to question 1, just come to any of the Spanish resorts or even to any town centre on a Saturday night and see for yourself. In fact if you have worked in an A&E dept of any hospital and that will answer your query.........and the drunks get priority.

I have no personal experience of the second topic.

[Oneeyedvic]

Jake :Those last two quotes - did you put them together or is somebody suggesting that there's a connection between the two.

Direct quote from BBC Website - opening sentences of article.

[Oneeyedvic]

missed out the next paragraph:

Of these, one in six said they had been pressured into sexual intercourse and one in 16 said they had been raped

[jake-the-peg]

Drinking problems in this country have been going on for hundreds of years.

I have just finished reading a book on 13th Century England. There is a reference there to a European embassadors report on the country saying what a great country it is but why are the English always drunk and agressive.

Then you've "gin lane" from Hogarths' time.

etc. etc. the list just goes on and on.

It's not a problem that you're going to solve with a few easy restrictions.

It's already illegal for kids under 18 to buy alcohol I'd love to know how Everton thinks we should stop kids from getting it.

Maybe we should tell them not to shop lift Cider or to raid Dad's booze cabinet.

Yeah I'm sure that'd do the job!

[jake-the-peg]

Ah Vic- What you leave out is as important as what you say!

Perhaps your question in this context should be what should we do about boys!

I presume you're not saying women are to blame for their sexually abuse because they drank too much!

[ludwig]

That second article doesn't mention alcohol at all (unless I've missed it), so it's strange to try and create a link between the two.
Bad judgement through alcohol intake may well result in women ending up in dangerous situations, but that article has got nothing to do with that.

See - even Jake is agreeing with me.

[Bobbisox]

I the likes of those that air their dirty linen in public, are representative of todays young adults, I refer to the Jeremy Vile show and the like, the God help us!

[andy-hughes]

I have banged on long and often on the AB about alcohol, and the reasons for our current dilema as a society.

It boils down to this - we have an alcohol-based leisure industry. That has meant that people measure their 'enjoyment' by how much alcohol they have consumed and how much alcohol poisoning they have given themselves - of course, it';s dressed up in a variety of hip phrases - trollyed, hammered, mullered, smashed, ratted, and so on ad nauseum.

This attitude is peculiar to the British Isles, which is why Euriopeans are so disgysted when we export this vile habbit via our holiday makers, and why the government's notion of 24-hour drinking leading to a 'cafe society' was such a joke which only they failed to see..

My response would be to make the sale of alcohol seriously strictly controlled, which means getting it out of supermarkets, which hias fuelled the situation over the last few years.

We have to educate children that being drunk is not big, or hip, or clever, or, God forbid, normal behaviour, and until education goes into that area of our society, we will never stop this nasty pervasive drug from infecting all our lives.

Of course, no government is ever going to be tough enough, because it is too much of a vote-looser, so they pussy-foot around doing very little - as usual.