Mums, Dads, & Grandparents.........

[trt]

Your opinions please.

I have been having a friendly banter with my daughter 40yrs (modern mum) who has been a Health Visitor for 15, with my 4yr old grandson.

Last week they came over to my place, and she had painted her nails with a new red shade, and he had blue nails.
I laughed and said, are you trying to make him gay, and she said he asked her because he watched her doing hers.

We got into a discussion, and she said I was old fashioned, (she calls me grumps by the way), and that there was no harm, and children have to experiment, as he would probably do it himself if she wasn't looking.

I didn't agree, and she said, ask you friends on A/B, and see what they say, so I have!

I think I am right, what do you think?

[pixie374]

;-)

[trt]

Thanks for your very helpful replies, and I did say it was friendly banter, and Bathsheba I wasn't being serious when I said about being gay to my daughter, and she knew it, he loves his football, worms, snakes & grubs, and playing soldiers :-)

[eanceoil]

many a true word is spoken in jest...

[Bathsheba]

I'm glad you weren't being serious, trt ;)
Incidentally,...do you remember a few years ago,...we used to be friends on FB? A good few years back, now I think of it, lol ;)

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[PankySmooch]

trt, so does Louie Spence, be careful ;o)

[trt]

## do you remember a few years ago,...we used to be friends on FB? A good few years back, now I think of it, lol ;) ##

Yes I do Bath, and thought the same a few times the past week or two because of your name.

Was it called something like ''chatterbox'', as there were only a few people on it, and think it was a kind of breakaway group from some other chat room.

[Bathsheba]

That's right trt! I can't bring the name of the group to mind just now, but I am still friendly with a lot of the members, so it will be easy for me to find out! I'll do that tomorrow. In fact, I do believe I still have your email address :o!! Be afraid, trt,..be very afraid!!, lol :-)

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[trt]

Oh no, I should have kept my mouth shut :-).

I think I still have someone as a friend on FB, who I think plays Criminal Case with me, will have to check,

Chat tomorrow.x

[Bathsheba]

Ok, g'night trt :-) x x

[Old_Geezer]

Since he asked then I see no big issue with it. If his peers at pre-school react adversely he will decide on his own that it isn't for him again. Until then he isn't to know it is considered a female activity in this country. (Darned sexist if you ask me.) Not that I'd encourage it, I think it might encourage effeminate habits, which could affect his path in life as folk react to that, but at that age I'd simply not react to it. I think it'll be a short term interest, doing like mummy does.

[Sqad]

Well, none of our 4 boys have asked for their nails to be painted and as far as I know, none of the grandsons.If they had of asked, they would have got a clip around the ear.

ladyalex:

\\\Why on earth would anyone think that you can 'make someone gay'?\\

So you think that they were born gay? You may be right, but if one was to postulate about the factors, then surely painting a little boy's fingers red might well be discussed.

[ummmm]

Thought you rarely seen your grand kids, Sqad...

Look at the new romantics era....loads of straight men in makeup.

My older son plucks his eyebrows and uses foundation to cover spots and spends twice as long doing his hair than me and my daughter.

[Sqad]

\\\\My older son plucks his eyebrows and uses foundation to cover spots and spends twice as long doing his hair than me and my daughter.\\\

Is that your gay son?

[ummmm]

No. The gay one is not into all that nonsense :-)

[PankySmooch]

Your son is not 4 years old though

[ummmm]

They were once and they have an older sister and older female cousins. They played with 'girl' toys and did girly things. They also did 'boy' things. Just let them be kids.

[woofgang]

I thought that recent research had demonstrated that sexual orientation is hardwired and not subject to external influence?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/largest-ever-study-into-the-gay-gene-erodes-the-notion-that-sexual-orientation-is-a-choice-9875855.html

I am female hetero and have never worn any make up or mail varnish because i don't like it....does that somehow make me less female and hetero?

[ladyalex]

I do not think you can 'make ' anyone gay any more than you can 'make' anyone straight .
I do not think that play-acting at the age of four does anyone any harm.

[Sqad]

woofgang

\\\\However, Sanders does not claim to have identified a single gene which ‘causes’ male homosexuality in humans and stresses that with complex human traits like sexual orientation there are many influencing factors, both genetic and environmental.\\\

That is from your link.......all i said to ladyalex was that we didn't know what caused "Sex confusion" (my term) and that treating young males like young females may contribute................that is all.

[ummmm]

Don't agree with that at all, Sqad.

I was a proper tomboy as a child and my mother indulged my interests. Didn't stop me liking boys.