Where did matter come from?

[izzymem]

We live in a world where something has to have come from some kind of source.

So if this is the case where does matter come from. What is before matter and what put it there.

Does this not indicate that there is some kind of higher being that has just always been there to have arrange the matter and make the world we live in today possible?

The most logical answer I can come up with is that being in this body form we cannon comprihend the fact that matter has always been there and it has come from nothing.

Maybe we have to be in a different form to understand this concept? I don't know but it seems to be the most logical answer to me.

[raysparx1]

What are you on about ? I must be thick because I can't understand the question, oh well it doesn't Matter.

[whiffey]

izzymem, I think you have hit upon God, and I agree with you. Even the greatest cynics like Dawkins are hard put to explain where everything started.

I like the idea of God, and in complete harmony with all my logic and scientific training I believe in it. Just go into the garden and stare at the moon and stars, it's incredible.

[izzymem]

I do looks at them. I mean when you take things how they are and go back and back and back and back to where it all could have come from it just stops. And the only thing I can think of is that the source of it has always been there. It must have. We are here today. It makes sense. The something that has made today has come from nothing. And nothing has always been there. If that makes sense.

So it only leaves you to believe that there is a God that has made these changes for us to live the way we are.

To me this is logical. And the proof is that we are here.

[RATTER15]

So the logic here is, we cant explain it so it must all be made by god?

Thats logical, lol

[whiffey]

Oh goodness sake, does everything have to be amenable to scientific explanation ?

We love our children for example, we get strange pangs of affection for people we have never met, our hearts often warm to voices we will never see.

If we extrapolate back far enough we reach a logical impossibility, and that is when we might wonder about the value of drawing in the sand.

[izzymem]

Well then explain RATTER15.

Where has it come from?

Something has put it here. Go ahead and explain.

[larkin]

Yes and explain your existence too, whiffey ?

[whiffey]

larkin, I was biologically created by my parents, and at some stage in that process God injected a soul, and I hope a good one. It is naive and dull, unscientific, and implausible, but it works for me because it has a completeness and a touch of warmth that is entirely lacking in scientific diatribes.

I believe in John 3:16

[RATTER15]

I never said I knew the answers, and indeed I don't, All I'm saying is that just because we cant explain something, it doesn't mean that it is all down to God!!

Now keep your hair on, stop getting so excited whiffey.

[laurence2]

one flew over the cuckoos nest?

[raysparx1]

Hi laurence,it sounds like it.

[izzymem]

well something has put us here. something that has always been there. otherwise we would not be here. does that not give you an idication that something or some kind of intelligence which must have always been there has done this?

If not then where else could it come from than from a being (source) that has always been there. I cant see any other angle?

[RATTER15]

Yep!! and there goes another!!

[izzymem]

you guys are not actually giving this a chance. thats what makes me laugh. you have no desire to know. if you dont then why post an answer.

[laurence2]

Hello Ray,

Just got in from work, thought i'll come on here for a little while, just to chill out etc

Have i taken a wrong turn, or have the '' Aliens'' landed?

[RATTER15]

izzymem, you hit the nail on the head there with your last sentence!! "I cant see any other angle" just because we cant see, doesn't mean its not there!!

[Lonnie]

From nothing to nothing!, thats it.

God created us, or he didn't.

if there is a god, why can't Science and god be compatible?.

[RATTER15]

I would love to know the answer, I just don't believe it was some god!!

We can all jump on the God bandwagon and then we never need to challenge anything ever again, problem sorted!!

[izzymem]

BUT YOU CAN SEE IT. you are it. you are the result of it!! the result of the thing that has put or created you. the source, matter god or what ever you want to call it. you can see it because you are the end result of it creating u. so what are u talking about!

[larkin]

whiffey - biologically created by your parents reeks a little of science to me .