Richard III

[tiggerblue10]

If it turns out that these are Richard III remains, do you think there should be a state funeral?

http://www.telegraph....h-a-curved-spine.html

http://news.uk.msn.co...d-iii-state-funeral-3

[Wharton]

Would the drink be El Dorado by any chance?

[mike11111]

Sorry, far too late in the evening to promulgate the bleeding obvious, as understood by historians. Gonna have a bacon sarnie, see youse all later.

[mikren]

answer from ireland-- NO NOT FOR RICHARD THE TURD!

[joggerjayne]

Hasn't R3 been given a frightfully bad press, starting with Shakespeare?

[mike11111]

That's what they would have you believe, but no. The facts are in the public domain; the Richard III society are like those who would glorify the Kray twins, diamond geezer, loved his old mum &c.

[jno]

even before Shakespeare. Thomas More, who (as A Man for All Seasons did not mention) had several heretics burnt at the stake.

He wrote to Martin Luther: "I will throw back into your paternity's sh!tty mouth, truly the sh!t-pool of all sh!t, all the muck and sh!t which your damnable rottenness has vomited up". Not much like Paul Scofield at all, then, and somewhat given to violent prejudice.

[joggerjayne]

fairy nuff

[humbersloop]

^^ an early rap artist's career nipped in the bud then jno?

[mike11111]

Can't quite see the relevance of that to the question, but anything which shows Thomas More to be less than a saint is OK with me.

[jno]

yep, sloopy, you probably have to imagine that like a Gregorian chant to drum and bass.

[NOX]

The Richard III society in my experience seek to give a balanced view of the life and career of Richard III, previously Richard Duke of Gloucester. Mike11111 seems to have missed the fact that he was his brother's right hand man and extremely well thought of prior to the spin doctor nonsense of the Tudors. He was an excellent general, lived for many years in Yorkshire keeping order in the north for Edward IV, was known as a good diplomat, was considered pious and generous and was loyal to a fault. When his brother unexpectedly died, he was left with Elizabeth Woodville's rabidly ambitious family to deal with and did so effectively. He then assumed the throne which at the time was in the best interests of the country ( child Kings never fair well and neither does the nation under their rule). what happened or didn't happen to the princes in the tower is a subject for conjecture, but what happened on Bosworth field was a brave King died leading his troops against usurpers and traitors. There's nothing remotely Kraylike about Richard Plantagenet he was merely a man, some would say a good man, of his time.

[flicrat]

Thanks for support.I need it as just got dislocated shouder and feeling a bit stupid. Should like to be a revisionist and rewrite Tuesday's history so as NOT to go flying. LOL ( not!) F

[mike11111]

Aw, bless! Of course,what the previous poster omits to tell us is just why there were so many"usurpers and traitors!" as he calls them.

[NOX]

Awww bless, an old history teacher who hasn't bothered to think it's probably because it was the very end of the period of the wars of the roses and there were many claimants to the throne, all of which were as opportunist as the next. He also seems to conveniently forget that Edward IV himself usurped the throne from Henry VI .I don't care what anyone's opinion is as long as it's fair and based on fact not the fiction taught 50 years ago.

[NOX]

If you'd like a proper debate on this mike11111 I'd be delighted to oblige- just set it up.

[Mosaic]

Is this one still rumbling on?

Look, ex-king, loads of enemies, foolishly lost an expensive civil war.

Skellybones haven't provided stunning insights yet....you'd have thought if it was a positive we'd have heard by now.....

Richard III society....oh my lord, do you get a T-shirt with his tour dates - sorry, battles, on the back?

[mike11111]

Can't argue with that, Mosaic!

[NOX]

I have two degrees mike11111, one in history and one in English, (and no, they aren't OU degrees before you try that nonsense) but of course if you're not up for it then that's your choice, it'd just be nice if you posted something at least arguing your case instead of flimsy remarks you can't back up. What are your 'academic credentials' whilst we're at it, Lol as if that even matters....?

[mike11111]

B.A., LLB, Grad Cert Ed, Dip Legal Practice, Associate of the Institute of Linguists.