Right To Find Out??

[cassa333]

Hi,

My well documented trouble with my tenants is rolling along.

There is a possession hearing on 11th Aug but I have just found out they intend to do a flit on 5th Aug. I have been told the road but not the number (it is a humongously long road).

I am happy they are going woop wooop.

However there is a money claim attached to the eviction so don't know what happens to that if they have gone?

Also how does the CCJ get enforced if we don't have a new address?
I think they have found it through an agent and have obviously lied about their present circumstances as no one has asked for a reference. And they have obviously used the rent the year haven't been paying me to pay the new LL

Am I allowed to contact the agents to find out where they are going?

Thanks

[woofgang]

How would your agent know where they are going? If you know the agent they have rented through...I am sure that they will be fascinated to know that there is a CCJ for not payment or rent against them.....

[EDDIE51]

If you know the road and the date just go to that road and keep a look out for a removal van delivering their goods. Or go to your tenants road and when they get in the car/van discretely follow them at a distance and see where they go!

[cassa333]

I don't have an agent. A neighbour told me they are planning a flit and I wanted to know if I am allowed to talk to the agents in the area to a. Find out where they are moving to (suspect they will not be able to say due to data protection etc) b. Tell them of her history with regards non payment etc. And c. What I do if I don't have forwarding address for the CCJ.

[cassa333]

Eddie, that is what a friend suggested and as a last resort we will.

I know they have to live somewhere but TBH I don't want another LL to have to go through the rigmarole I have.

As long as I am able to approach the local estate agents about them without it being classed as harassment I will talk to all of them.

[Tuvok]

What not just get in touch with local agents and forewarn them all.

[ummmm]

They sound like the kind of people who couldn't give two hoots about their debts.

[EDDIE51]

Warning the agent may well go against you. The agent may cancel their new rental and you will be stuck with them. Getting rid of them is your prime objective. Once they are gone you have the house back and can start again. Looks to me like you have little if any chance of getting the cash back anyway.

[EDDIE51]

^ Just to add the second they are out get the locks changed !!!

[cassa333]

Absolute diddlies of getting the money back but why should I make the debt go away for them so easily for them just by them moving.

Whatever happens they will be leaving, whether by them doing a flit or the court possession so I am not worried over a few weeks wait for possession as such.

[cassa333]

I realise I may be coming over as a bit dogmatic at the moment but honestly I don't want her to get off Scott free when she hasn't been such a pain in the *** and made malicious and untrue accusations of harassment.

[woofgang]

the question.....THE question....is how much effort and stress you are prepared to endure in you attempt to “get back” at these horrible people...because my money is on the fact that they won’t give a toss and it might even amuse them. EDDIE has a solid point about not doing anything that will stop their leaving your flat. I have said to you before about not thinking like a person but thinking like a business and this remains my advice.

[cassa333]

I know you are all right of course. But it took me a long time to get to the point of actually getting rid of them.

Let's hope my need/desire to make them pay back at least a small amount of what they owe and make it difficult for them deminishes much sooner lol

[ummmm]

I'd be furious, Cassa, so I imagine your feelings are completely normal.

Just don't do anything until they are gone.

[Buenchico]

There's nothing to prevent you asking anyone for any information. However, in many cases, the Data Protection Act will prevent them from actually giving you that information.

It occurs to me though that your tenants will almost certainly be seeking to get credit from people at their new address (because I'm assuming that they're the type of people who will happily borrow money irrespective of whether they can actually pay it back). That means that they'll need to get their names on the electoral roll. Once they've done that you'll be able to visit your local council office and ask to view the electoral roll for the relevant area. (It's a public document. The council MUST let you see it). The electoral roll is listed alphabetically by street names (rather than by the names of voters), so you'll need to look through all of the addresses on the relevant road.

[Peter Pedant]

jesus people like yakking but not an awful lot of law

yes of course you are allowed to contact the agents to find out where they are going...
the agents SHOULD say - sorry ma'am ( DPA, confidentiality blah blah blah)
but it depends how silver tongued you are ....

yeah I rang the new agents for a flitter and asked why he hadnt had a reference from me. Trouble is getting his name. ( written on the car parked outside the new place ) . The flitters flitted from the new place priddy quick and had never paid rent apparently.

CCJ - turn up - on the day
hooray they almost certainly wont - if they have given up the keys by such as posting them silently through your door

the court date will have been given to their old address and is deemed to have been served

SO on the day you turn up and wait around for just about all the cases to be heard ( the ones with both sides turning up get precedence ) - and when it is your turn - go in and tell the judge = they have given you possession but you want a CCJ for the arrears.

No appeal except on a matter of law [I think]

Possession is 9/10ths of the law
now you know why
actually getting the arrears - forget it - get on with selling or reletting the house. You have been trained so I would re=let
I think I have previously told you what to do with a CCJ.

start praying - you are almost there !

[Peter Pedant]

Your tenants seem to have realised that if they go to the bitter end they lose everything

They hang onto the court date - and get an eviction order at fourteen days and have no plan B and nowhere to go
so on Day 14 they just close the door give you the keys and go.

s/o did some research and found up to 80% ended up with just the clothes they were wearing .....

you have to wait - but its only 21 days - eeek !

Various chores you have to go thro
once they have gone
but they aint gone yet - so it may be worth a re=post when the blessed event occurs

[Peter Pedant]

jesus a year's rent
my eyes water

the arrears are tax deductible by the way
that is you DON'T pay tax on the notional amount they should have paid but didnt- - - -- [wait wait did I read that right - yes.]

[themas]

The CCJ will be registered with Credit Reference Agencies at the address on the Court form. If they are careless enough to use that address on a credit application in future they will have problems.