Remember The Carl Bridgewater Murder In 1978 ?

[mikey4444]

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/interview-with-a-murderer

This looks interesting, at 21:00 tonight. It could be that the real murderer will be exposed.

[Islay]

I doubt very much that the TV program would name the actual murderer I am sure that there would be all sorts of legal reasons why they could not name them.

[Svejk]

Personally, I think the murderers were convicted once. However, being an open-minded sort, I shall endeavour to watch it.

[Bigbad]

I’ve always had a fascination for this case, and have always believed that Hubert Spencer ….. (better not say any more for obvious reasons)!

The book ‘Murder At The Farm’ by Paul Foote is a very interesting read, and I fail to see how Michael Hickey, Vincent Hickey, Patrick Molloy and James Robinson were convicted.

I have tried many times to get a copy of the 1993 programme ‘Bad Company’ which was based on the case, but no luck.

So, yes, I am looking forward to the programme, and I like Prof. Wilson, too.

[hc4361]

You can say 'I think Bert Spencer murdered Carl Bridgewater', if that's your opinion.

[hc4361]

You can watch Bad Company here:

[agchristie]

// It could be that the real murderer will be exposed//

Depends what you mean by 'exposed' Mikey. Even then, there has to be sufficent grounds to charge the alleged killer. One has to wonder why it has taken so long to reach this position. If it was through DNA I may be more convinced.

Will try and watch it on catch up.

[hc4361]

Oops, you can see and HEAR it here:
Part 1

[Bigbad]

Thank you hc, but there are no subtitles, and not loud enough for me. Perhaps I should have been more specific and said I've looked for a copy with subtitles.

[mikey4444]

agchristie......

Apparently this documentary tonight was initiated because Spencer himself had approached a criminologist, Professor David Wilson, via his ( Spencer's) biographer, Simon Golding, offering a "no-holds barred" interview, in an attempt to clear his name.

As the original suspects were freed, the Police should have re-opened this murder enquiry years ago.

By the way, Spencer was convicted of another, very similar murder n 1979, and was released in 1995. Not, of course, that this proves anything, but interesting nevertheless.

Good report in today's Sunday Times, on page 7.

This is from the Wiki entry ::

"In February 1997, the latest in a number of appeals finally saw the men's convictions overturned, after the Court of Appeal ruled that the trial had been unfair, due to certain areas of evidence fabricated by police in order to persuade Molloy to make a confession"

Looks like yet another occasion where the Police have excelled themselves.

[ladybirder]

Thanks Mikey, I shall defo watch this. I too like Prof David Wilson, he explains things so well.

[mikey4444]

Bigbad...for some reason or other, the sound on the link that hc provided at 13:44 has been muted, but the second link, at 13:46 works for me ( with the sound turned up as far as it will go ! )

[hc4361]

This is part 1, mikey

[Bigbad]

I need mega loud AND subtitles, mikey!

[mikey4444]

Its probably too obvious to say this but if the Police had investigated the Carl Bridgewater case properly, instead of fabricating the evidence, the second case, of Herbert Wilkes in 1979, that Spencer DID murder, might have been prevented.

These miscarriages of justice, involved Police corruption, are beginning to form a pattern...convict the wrong person(s) and the real murderer goes on to kill again.

[mikey4444]

Sorry Bigbad !...would headphones help perhaps ?

[hc4361]

I would not be at all surprised if Bad Company pops up on one of the tv channels soon

[Bigbad]

That's exactly what I'm hoping for hc, and I remember that last time it was shown, (possibly when the 3 surviving men who were convicted, got released) there was an interview with Hubert Spencer then, too. So I'm hoping to see that again as well.

[hc4361]

When he said 'I don't give a sh** what people think' I knew he'd done it. He's a wrong un

[murraymints]

have recorded this to watch tomorrow ..good ?

[hc4361]

Not bad