The Crown Series 4

[Theblip]

If you’ve seen any of it, what do you think? Very harsh on the royals, except Diana, I reckon. Charles has no positive qualities in this, and The Queen only a few. Yet it’s still a wonderful watch.

[Bbbananas]

The scriptwriters are obviously pro-Diana to say the least.
A lot of surmising and faction in this series particularly. Emma Corrin as Diana is fabulous though.
The thing that puts me off is Gillian Anderson’s Thatcher. The drawl... it’s such a caricature.

[tiggerblue10]

I loved it and as I mentioned on another thread I found out something about the Queen Mother's side of the family which I found quite sad.

[Khandro]

Thatcher is like a spitting image caricature of herself, Margaret likewise is appalling, all overacting, high camp. Phillip & the Queen are quite good. All that blood on the heath & shooting pheasants in the summer - I don't think so.

Fascinated how they did the wounded stag though, was it computer generated I wonder?

[eve1974]

Haven’t watched any. Figured I’d be too irritated Even 5 mins in!

[bednobs]

You should give it a go. The first 2 seasons are particularly excellent.
This series (4) certainly paints the rf in a ghastly light. You do have to keep in mind it's fiction.

[Rosie29]

I watched the first two episodes last night. I thought it was very poor and not nearly up to the quality of the first two. Good actors struggling with a dreadful script like a second rate soap opera.
And I agree with bbbananas about Thatchers portrayal. Ridiculous husky drawl that never varied.
I know it's a drama and scenes have to be manufactured but the scene where Margaret T and Dennis come down on time dressed for dinner and find the rest of the family lolling about in their hunting and shooting clothed drinking tea - well it would not have happened. Protocol - and them being looked after as I'm sure they were - would have not allowed such humiliation. Very disappointing.

[puzzled54]

Series 1 and 2 were ok but series 3 turned me into an anti-royalist

[tiggerblue10]

As it's a dramatisation you have to allow a certain degree of artistic licence.

I quite enjoyed Gillian Anderson's portrayal but the I've loved her since The X Files :o)

[zebo]

I thought the Thatcher portrayal was more her in the later years of her term in office. It doesn't show the RF in a good kight but it's Netflix so to be expected. The Philip character sounds like Charles.
Margaret comes over as a total mare but has one of the best scenes, where it's been made obvious that both Charles and Diana are being pushed into a marriage that neither believes in, he still loves Camilla. Margaret asks if the RF had learned nothing from the Townsend affair, she was not allowed to marry the man she loved and it had been a disaster.

[Ken4155]

As long as we all remember it's a drama not a documentary, then it's definitely binge-worthy viewing, imho. Not everything we see actually took place. Certain scenarios have been 'invented' in order to get a certain point across without dragging it on and on. I have read comments by Penny Junior and Jenny Bond, over the last couple of days, but not even they know what was, or wasn't, said at the meetings between HM and her Prime Ministers.
I believe the main thing The Crown has shown throughout the 4 seasons to date, is the unwavering way in which HM puts country before anything else. Including her own family.

[Peter Pedant]

great
as a drayma and
so what - Scully as Mrs Thatcher - queen anne ( olivia colman) as queen elizabeth

Diana walking nay sashaying nay slinking down the street for the last time to the muzak prelude to act 1 of to Traviata
( I mean come on THAT didnt happen)
the mousey across the floor of Margot appts

the queen : no one can tell what a man will do until you give him power
that is l 334 Antigone - Sophocles 450 BC and I can tell you she dont read that in any language at any time

and I didnt realise Eddies skool chums at gordonstoun gave him corked bnottle of urine - as a prnak

[Peter Pedant]

completely stunning - like the vaccine

[Peter Pedant]

// Margaret asks if the RF had learned nothing from the Townsend affair, she was not allowed to marry the man she loved and it had been a disaster.//

vicky pollard comments - yeah but no but - that makes it a drama

did Margot say that ( they didnt seem to know that M was a concert level pianist ) or did she really say
"oh god another Gilbey - and make it strong! and where is that dock Roddy?"

[naomi24]

I see Michael Fagin, the man who broke into Buckingham Palace and sat on the queen’s bed (when she was in it) is upset because he says the actor portraying him has no charisma and isn’t good looking enough. You couldn’t make it up. :o)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8956953/Buckingham-Palace-intruder-slams-Netflixs-Crown-making-ugly-no-charisma.html

I haven’t watched any of this series yet, but I will. I’ve enjoyed what’s gone before.

[emmie]

I Read that Gillian Andersons portryal of Mrs T was based on the impersonator Janet Brown one. How true i don't know but interesting if someone can come up with that quote.

[emmie]

can't remember where i read it to be honest. But that would be a mistake i think.

[Peter Pedant]

// The actor portraying him [Michael Fagin] has no charisma and isn’t good looking enough.//

He just climbs in - any college climber cd do it - the blind spot was a around the corner - there is a rebated unlit wall just on the way Constitution Hill towards Marble Arch and that was where he got it.

I hadnt realised that he had done it twice. The second one was the Big One. Both the Home secretary ( oyster eyes - whitelaw) and the Metro police chief were invited to resign over the failure to protect the monarch
and both declined ( narfin to do wiv me guv - yes in 1982 - none of this I must lay down my life for the sovereign crap then I can tell you)

and I hadnt realised that he has been declared insane and given free monf in da nick - da mad nick dat is - F block - fraggle rock - dair) and lived faggily ever after.

[Peter Pedant]

o god it is lit now and there is a camera there (*) chrissakes

(*) un manned I should think

[Peter Pedant]

the shot of Fagin in the bus around Buckingham Palace is where he climbs over the wall - I thought the shot was intentional

spoiler - watched last episode today
big surprise as I thought it would roll on.
very good script - and more set themes in scenes - and characters being their scripted selves - charles always thinking of himself. Andy and Eddie being versions of Harry - we are spare and we know it. ye dook - "I supported my spouse why cant you support yours" - and of course "you know what you were taking on, now do it!"

and of course - o look - Lady Di has visited New York and the car has just stopped outside a hospital wiv only black children with AIDS in it - Lady DI gives a cute child a hug as cameras flash - now did that really happen by chance?

[lynbrown]

I think the actor laying Charles has him wrong. He doesn't walk around like the hunchback of Notre Dame. I also disliked the people they used for the patients when filming the two mentally ill cousins. Were they real people or actors? Made me feel they were being used.