An End To Non-Electric Cars By 2030 ...

[andy-hughes]

Does anyone seriously think this is anything beyond Boriis's personal pipe dream - along with cycle lanes here there and everywhere - or do they seriously think this is a feasible policy?

My view is that, in the future, a non-petrol / diesel engine will come, possibly powered by a battery the size that fits in a TV remote, and rechargeable in the vehicle, lasting about fifty years, but that is a long way off.

In the mean time, the initial forays into the notion - such as we have now, are clearly hamstrung by the expense of the vehicle in the first place, combined with lack of valid distance range, and a complete absence of viable charging facilities, and I don't see any of that altering in nine years.

Any views?

[Sunk]

AH, you’re just trolling TTT :-)

[woofgang]

its not an end to them, its an end to the sale of new ones.

[dannyk13]

AH, the answer to your OP is wait and see.

[ichkeria]

As said,
It’s not an end to petrol cars just the sale of new ones.
It’s welcome but will have to be managed carefully.
I’m
Not sure tho why home chargers are such a necessity.
I’ve had a petrol car for 30 years and have somehow managed without a petrol pump in the back garden :-)

[Zacs-Master]

As I commented on TTT's thread, take up of elkectric vehicles is happening at a faster rate than world governments expected with 30% of all new car sales being electric. The rate is 60% in Norway.

[Barsel]

I've seen a video of how this works.So, you drive home from work and park on your drive or in your garage , plug your car in and it's ready the next morning for your journey. My questions to this would be,what if you don't have a driveway or a garage?What if you have to park on the street and you can't get a space anywhere near your house, or what if you live in a multi storey tower block?

[Zacs-Master]

Barsel, I said exactly the same on the TTT thread. I proposed that wireless charging might be the answer in the coming years.

[mushroom25]

// What if you have to park on the street and you can't get a space anywhere near your house, or what if you live in a multi storey tower block? //

at this time, your only option is somewhere like Tesco or Asda. a 50kW charger will give you 100 odd miles in about 35-45 minutes, and this will cost £3-£5. a 7kw charger at Tesco is free, but will only add 25miles with a hour's charging time.

[Barsel]

Sorry Zacs, I didn't know TTT had already posted about this.

[andy-hughes]

ich - // I've had a petrol car for 30 years and have somehow managed without a petrol pump in the back garden :-) //

Indeed - and if you could charge your electric car in the same time as you fill your petrol tank, you could swamp one for the other.

But ...

[Zacs-Master]

There's no need to apologise, B, I was just reiterating my point. This is interesting:

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/what-is-electric-car-wireless-charging-wevc-and-how-does-it-work-/

[Barsel]

mushroom, would this be a portable charger? I really have no idea how these things will work. Can I take it that if you are going on a 400 mile round trip, you would have to buy 4 or 5 chargers, then after 100 miles you would have to plug in again and wait 35/45 mins for it to charge, then travel another 100 miles, and keep repeating the process, or have I got this completely wrong.

[andy-hughes]

Having lived long enough to witness some seriously life-changing technological advances, I will well aware that history will look back at early attempts at non-petrol and diesel vehicles and laugh at how utterly impractical and pointless they were.

The main difference with this and other advances is, I am laughing today!

[Zacs-Master]

Mush is talking about the 'posts' where you plug in to recharge.

[Zacs-Master]

Electric cars do work for many people as proven by the quicker than expected take up in sales.

[mushroom25]

essentially if you're going on a journey that's a multiple of your car's battery range, then you'll need to recharge a corresponding number of times. so if your car has a 100m range and you're going 400m then you need 4 charges. bear in mind though that that 100m quoted range is probably for car and driver only travelling at "round town" speeds, and may well be less with the family and luggage on board, and travelling at motorway speeds. if such a journey was undertaken with today's facilities, a 400m journey could well take you a whole day.

[andy-hughes]

mushroom - // essentially if you're going on a journey that's a multiple of your car's battery range, then you'll need to recharge a corresponding number of times. so if your car has a 100m range and you're going 400m then you need 4 charges. bear in mind though that that 100m quoted range is probably for car and driver only travelling at "round town" speeds, and may well be less with the family and luggage on board, and travelling at motorway speeds. if such a journey was undertaken with today's facilities, a 400m journey could well take you a whole day. //

It is this sort of vague and unplanable variable that to my mind entirely negates any real positive advantage in owning and running an electric vehicle.

I was listening to a motor dealer yesterday who pointed out that batteries, by definition, don;t last forever, and a battery that is neww in your vehicle, may only be operating at seventy per cent capacity in ten years with a potential ten grand replacement charge needed if you want to try and trade it in.

[Zacs-Master]

We've just got an electric mini which my wife uses to go to work. The car has a 100 mile range so she can do two trips on one charge which costs £4.80 as opposed to around £11 in petrol.

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // We've just got an electric mini which my wife uses to go to work. The car has a 100 mile range so she can do two trips on one charge which costs £4.80 as opposed to around £11 in petrol. //

As with any seismic change affecting society as a whole, there are going to be circumstances where the new development is a perfect fit - and yours is one of those, but sadly far far more where the potential changes are utterly unworkable.

[Zacs-Master]

Well, the worldwide sales figures would seem to contradict you, AH. Maybe people are adapting their travel arrangements?