An End To Non-Electric Cars By 2030 ...

[andy-hughes]

Does anyone seriously think this is anything beyond Boriis's personal pipe dream - along with cycle lanes here there and everywhere - or do they seriously think this is a feasible policy?

My view is that, in the future, a non-petrol / diesel engine will come, possibly powered by a battery the size that fits in a TV remote, and rechargeable in the vehicle, lasting about fifty years, but that is a long way off.

In the mean time, the initial forays into the notion - such as we have now, are clearly hamstrung by the expense of the vehicle in the first place, combined with lack of valid distance range, and a complete absence of viable charging facilities, and I don't see any of that altering in nine years.

Any views?

[Barsel]

Andy, have to say it again, absolutely agree with you, but, we have had challenges in the past that we said we didn't understand., but we learnt how to understand them like decimal currency. I now have my kitchen scales set to grams although my bathroom scales are still set to stones. I have thought about setting those to Kg as that way, I won't know how much I weigh! If our brains haven't deteriorated too much with age and if we have the time and the inclination, I hope we can keep up with whatever is going on in this ever changing world.

[webbo3]

https://images.app.goo.gl/T8wx6u2dg46d9Hfz8

[Barsel]

webbo3 my daughter doesn't have an electric car, but it does switch itself off even when she stops at the traffic lights. Surely the electric cars would do this?

[webbo3]

what about heating in the winter^

[tomus42]

All they're proposing to do, if I understand correctly, is to stop the sale of new non-electrics by 2030. This means if you've already got one you can quite happily keep running it for as long as you want, also you can probably still buy second hand ones after that date.

If that's right, it amounts to quite a gradual phasing out, which is inevitable at some point. The more difficult thing is to get the infrastructure right in the next ten years, which not only means providing charging for the electric vehicles but phasing out the provision of fuel for the non-electrics in a way that isn't problematic.

[derek-33]

there are tens of thousands of new cars stored n the English fields and airfields(some near me) waiting to be sold ,of course new ones in production too waiting to join them not to mention the hundreds of forecourts full of them, does boris really think all those will be sold in 10 years ,i'm a driver who keeps a well running car 10 years+ hopefully in 2029 they'll be selling them off cheap as chips. ill be first in the queue

[webbo3]

What happens if you don't have a driveway and get home from work and can't park outside your house, what about all the cables running over the pavements to peoples houses, whats going to happen to the national grid, where will all this extra electric come from. ?

[tomus42]

// where will all this extra electric come from. ? //

Hundreds of massive diesel powered generators will be built. :-)

[ubasses]

Nobody seems to have commented that hybrids aren't going to be banned until 2035, so you have another 5 years before going completely electric. As a couple who will reach their mid eighties by that time, hopefully we will not have to worry about the problem. I think the younger generations will adapt quickly.

[webbo3]

tomus42
\\// where will all this extra electric come from. ? //

Hundreds of massive diesel powered generators will be built. :-)//

not far from the mark, but mining all the materials (including child labour) to make the batteries and dispose of them will cause environmental damage.

[Ryzen]

For anyone doing short trips the 100mpc mini will fit in well. If you need a car to go 280/300 0n a single charge then look at the Kia E Niro. For the many who have never tried an ev...book a test drive you will be very impressed. Many ICE cars cost around 14p per mile in fuel...with a good overnight tariff an ev will cost a quarter of this...or free if you have solar panels.

[Barsel]

Ryzen How big is the Kia Niro? Is it the same size as the Venga or bigger?

[Ryzen]

Never driven a Venga, but it looks similar.

[jno]

electric cars aren't new, the first one was built in Wolverhampton in the 1870s, and they were very popular a century ago, but the beginning of worldwide oil production did for them; as the oil runs out this could well go into reverse. But they will need a much longer range than they have now, which was another factor when they went out of style before.

[Zacs-Master]

‘ but you've also said it has a range of 100 miles. set against the mini cooper that you've out accelerated but are now travelling twice the posted battery range, which will get you to your destination first?’

Depends how far you’re going.

‘ it does switch itself off even when she stops at the traffic lights. Surely the electric cars would do this?’

They don’t need to. They’re not using any power when they’re stood for short periods.

webbo, you can ‘tell’ your EV to heat itself up before you get in whilst it’s plugged in. This obviously costs a little more on your electric bill but it’s pence.

[bhg481]

// They’re not using any power when they’re stood for short periods. //

Apart from the lights, heater, radio etc. All trivial, you might say, but it does add up.

[Old_Geezer]

If the battery wasn't flat when you joined the jam, it ought not be flat when you restart the car three hours later. Anyway, keep a couple of AAAs in your jacket pocket.

[douglas9401]

The 'fast charge' option of , say, 20 minutes would still have a pretty young thing finishing off her make-up and whatever else the inconsiderate bints get up to at the petrol pump just now.

[Zacs-Master]

‘ Apart from the lights, heater, radio etc. All trivial, you might say, but it does add up.’

But when you take your foot off the ‘gas’ the car breaks and goes into ‘regenerative’ mode where the braking recharges the battery which more than compensates for the minor loads you mention.

[Ryzen]

ZM...thats why most ev's will do better around town compared to motorways..where 'generally' we use the brakes less.