Surely The Car Is At Fault Here.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-cambridgeshire-66929271

ok fair enough he was done for no insurance but the actual crash as caused by the car turning right, across on comming traffic, I can't see how the biker is at fault at all.

[wolf63]

Maybe they are both be at fault?

He was lucky to get thrown off the bike before it exploded.

 

[ToraToraTora]

How? The car crossed the path of the bike the bike was in the correct lane.

[THECORBYLOON]

He pled guilty to driving without due care and attention, driving without insurance and driving otherwise in accordance with a licence.

"Gordon initially denied riding the motorcycle but dashcam footage and statements from other motorists placed him at the scene."

'He was seen riding erratically and overtaking dangerously in the lead-up to the crash.'

'PC Sarah Pride said: “I would like to thank witnesses who came forward and described Gordon’s manner of driving in the moments leading up to the crash."'

[barry1010]

I can see your point, TTT, especially as the report doesn't mention he, the biker, was speeding

[jno]

you'd think so. It's possible the bike was going too fast, but it's still up to the car driver to give way when turning right.

I don't suppose barefaced lying helped his case, but it sounds as if he's being punished for what he did before the accident. Maybe the car driver's also being prosecuted, but no mention of it.

[Buenchico]

It's hard to judge the speed of the bike in that video.  If, for example, it was on a 30 mph road, the car driver could reasonably expect that the biker he could see well in the distance wouldn't be upon him in just a second or so (because the biker was actually travelling at, say, 60 mph).  So the car driver would think it safe to commence his turn.

[Peter Pedant]

his fault was driving without insurance

wivvart the thicket ( = ticket or insurance)

and no the car is not at fault as THAT driver did not make the cyclist go out wivvart insurance. Jesus

There are a few uvvers - the Hayle one where the cyclists blood splatters the camera's windscreen ( dead)

and where the 46 y o drivers mother says exactly the same occurs and can go on the internet - helmet cam, biker breaks neck and dies. er sort of on camera

[naomi24]

The car was at fault entirely.  Even if the bike was speeding it was incubent upon the car driver to ensure it was safe to turn. 

[William51]

 Yes. The motorcyclist may have beed riding on the speed limit but the crash was not caused by him because the car turned right in front of him , it was up to the car to determine if it was safe to turn.

[Zacs-Master]

Was the bike a Fireblade, Tora?

[ToraToraTora]

PP: "his fault was driving without insurance

wivvart the thicket ( = ticket or insurance) - Jesus H his being without insurance did not cause the crash.

and no the car is not at fault as THAT driver did not make the cyclist go out wivvart insurance. Jesus" -  Jesus H, his being without insurance did not cause the crash, judge will be along soon and tell you one person committing a crime does not automatically assign blame or absolve others of fault. Derr.

[ToraToraTora]

jno: "

you'd think so. It's possible the bike was going too fast, but it's still up to the car driver to give way when turning right." - Didn't look that fast to me but even if he was speeding, the drive still must give way to on comming traffic.

"I don't suppose barefaced lying helped his case, but it sounds as if he's being punished for what he did before the accident. Maybe the car driver's also being prosecuted, but no mention of it." - Yes indeed. I'm not making any points about what happened prior to this incident. This incident is 100% the fault of the driver not giving way.

[ToraToraTora]

chico: "It's hard to judge the speed of the bike in that video.  If, for example, it was on a 30 mph road, the car driver could reasonably expect that the biker he could see well in the distance wouldn't be upon him in just a second or so (because the biker was actually travelling at, say, 60 mph).  So the car driver would think it safe to commence his turn." - no it is still the responsibility of the turning driver to assess the conditions and make the turn safely.

[ToraToraTora]

Zacs, No.

[ToraToraTora]

Naomi/william bang on, both worthy of BA but it goes to wiliam for being slightly more complete.

[Zacs-Master]

If it was 100% the car driver's fault why did Stavius plead guilty to driving without due care and attention?

[Kardashev]

Looks very clear to me, the car cut across the bike when he should have waited. Here that could have been consdidered reckless driving and the driver prosecuted. Things are indeed odd if the biker was deemed at fault here.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: "If it was 100% the car driver's fault why did Stavius plead guilty to driving without due care and attention?" - because he was an idiot? Badly advised? May have thought like many do on here that being illegal makes eveything his fault? It's amystery to me. They should be prosecuting the driver for due care at least.

[retrocop]

I had a similar collision back in the late 70s on my brand new Norton Commando Interstate. I had a colleague on the pillion and was riding back to my quarters East bound on the Harrow Road towards Paddington. Just as we approached Paddington Fire Station a oncoming car turned right in front of me and I T-boned him midships. My pillion and I both went airborne over the roof of the car and landed on the road on the otherside of the car. I thought I had broken my legs and was lying in the road in considerable pain. I looked up to see my colleague standing in the road with his trousers round his knees feeling around in his underpants. He said in his scouse accent," Just making sure the crown jewels are still in tact mate"

My Norton was written off. The driver landed up if Marylebone Magistrates Court later for Careless and Reckless driving and got a endorsement and a meagre fine. I got a bill from the London Ambulance Service for the ride to St Mary's Hospital. I was insured so passed that one on to my insurance. I hadn't broken my legs but lost my bike.

For those who are interested my pillion survived intact☺

[THECORBYLOON]

If a driver at a junction in a 30mph area sees a car at a safe distance on a straight main road and pulls out but is hit because the other car is doing seventy, who is at fault?