Why Not Do The Same

[teacake44]

On TV this morning they they said that Italy have the least infection rate, and has been held down for some time, mainly due to their rigorous successful very fast turn around testing procedure. So why is that here, and everywhere else were testing is failing that we and other countries don't adopt a system that has a proven record of success.

Is it a case that our government just don't want to admit they've got it wrong and just keep going down the wrong track. Italy are crying out for the British to holiday there so I would think they would be more than happy to share the system.

[youngmafbog]

I wonder if you have any idea of the logistics involved in doing this?

My guess is not from your post.

[bednobs]

i'm sure someone will be along to laboriously explain it to me, but I can't on the face of it see what the correlation is between better testing and the virus being transmitted.

[teacake44]

13.16 Italy, I think is 23 per 100.000, not sure of the average in the UK, but the highest seems to be Liverpool at the moment at 257 per 100.000.

[teacake44]

13.13, What logistics involved in passing on their tec? please explain.

[bednobs]

13:21 I didn't mean that, I meant HOW better testing makes the virus less transmitted

[Zacs-Master]

Golly gosh, look what you find when you remember you're on the internet......
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-09-17/speed-versus-accuracy-why-italy-is-offering-30-minute-covid-19-tests-and-the-uk-isnt

[bednobs]

if that was in answer to my questions zacs … it doesn't answer my question

[ToraToraTora]

good link Zacs. For once I think TC has a point, I think the 30 minute turn around tests potential inaccuracy if more than compensated for with less isolation and waiting around. I think we should move to the quick test mechanism. I don;t think it's a case of "..our government just don't want to admit they've got it wrong", I think they are listening to "experts".

[Zacs-Master]

It was in answer to the OP, dear.

TTT yes, it would seem that slight inaccuracies are outweighed by speed & volume. Jim will be along shortly with a formulae, no doubt.

[Peter Pedant]

// I can't on the face of it see what the correlation is between better testing and the virus being transmitted.//
Neither can I BN and that is because there isnt one

the data is out there - NJ I think is the worst at someone who is innumerate dabbling in numbers. If you test a thousand and get 10 and then test a different two thousand and get 20 - tghe rate or ration has NOT gone up - but I agree you have ten more.

worse or better - if testing or testing more made a difference then in the down curve of four weeks ago - there should be a kink -method A is different to method B and so should affect numbers

it didnt - so from the data - it didnt make much difference
so there CAN'T have been twice as many earlier on as we thought as there would be a bloody great kink in the curve as the more accurate testing kicked in

the data is out there

[Peter Pedant]

UK was 20
but today they said 100
oo-er Mrs - no wonder they are all in a panic

[ABSpareEditor]

I have moved this thread into the category "Current Affairs".

[ichkeria]

Italy is one of the countries test had testing of arrivals at airports.
That’s one thing we certainly could do but we don’t

[ichkeria]

One of the countries “that has testing”

[woofgang]

I think that the only way that faster test turn around could make a difference, assuming equal accuracy of fast and slow turnaround testing, is either if symptomatic people are allowed to wander the earth shedding virus until the test result comes back, or everybody and their dog is tested (its ok folks I am joking about the dog) and the asymptomatics are caught and isolated. but but but the second assumes that asymptomatics can share their bugs despite public precautions or that people are saying foo that to the public precautions as PP would say.

[teacake44]

On top of the testing in Italy, and Spain for that matter, they have 2 or three police (walking) the streets to enforce the rules were needed. I visit several towns over a week, and since the full main lock down we had, I can honestly say I've not seen one police officer on foot, and if it comes to that, not very often in a patrol car. Are we really that short of police, if not were are they, or what are they doing?