Telling It How It Is

[Khandro]

...... would you not say ?

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/time-to-jump-out-of-the-globalists-pan-of-boiling-water/

[Khandro]

Cor blimey! // it is harmful for him to claim that his stroke was caused by his vaccine because that is hearsay //

It isn't hearsay at all, not in the least! it is experience-based and irrefutable:

I had the first Moderna jab and reacted violently to it, shaking & sweating pints all night, but I went ahead & had the second, no violent reaction, but several days later I fainted & fell to the floor & wretched (having never once fainted or experienced anything like that in my entire life). Shortly after that while working on a drawing, I developed double vision & was taken mmediately into hospital where I remained for 3 days & where they pronounced I'd had a mini-stroke.
I am now, thanks to the wonderful health service here, under observation, & in fact have been this very morning to have a check-up from a heart specialist.

No "hearsay" involved.

[Untitled]

how do you know that your stroke was caused by the vaccine?

[Untitled]

as far as the whole rest of the world is concerned it is the very definition of hearsay

[New Judge]

//...as far as the whole rest of the world is concerned it is the very definition of hearsay//

No, it isn't.

Hearsay is "second hand" evidence. That is, evidence that the teller has no direct knowledge of himself. For instance, if I say "Fred told me he saw Albert hit Joe", I am providing hearsay evidence about the event between Albert and Joe. I don't know how it happened; I don't even know if it happened. I only know what Fred told me and he may have a motive for misleading me. Only he can provide the evidence of what he witnessed. Me relating what he told me is hearsay.

The knowledge that Khandro has concerning his vaccinations and subsequent problems is first hand, within his personal knowledge. What is not 100% certain is whether the vaccinations caused the stroke. He is entitled to form an opinion on that (and from what he says, his is a very fair assumption). But it is not hearsay. It also does not prove that vaccinations always cause strokes, but I don't think he's trying to claim that.

[Untitled]

the article which is the subject of this thread describes vaccines as a "globalist toxin" and when I asked him if he considered vaccines dangerous he likened it to putting one's hand in boiling water

[Untitled]

"I only know what Fred told me and he may have a motive for misleading me. "

surely for everyone who isn't khandro the same applies here

[New Judge]

//...surely for everyone who isn't khandro the same applies here//

But they are not providing the evidence. Khandro is, and his account is first hand. If I tell you what happened to Khandro (based on what he told me) it's hearsay. If he tells you (as he has) it's not.

[david small]

Apparently more people have died with Covid having had the vaccine, than people who have died with Covid and had not been vaccinated.
Newspaper article. Supply your own salt.

[New Judge]

Possibly, David, because more older people than young are likely to have had the jab and older people are more likely to die from Covid.

[Khandro]

I say, If it sounds like duck & it walks like a duck, it probably is a duck.

untitled opines; If it sounds like duck & it walks like a duck, it probably is an albatross doing an impersonation of a duck

[Atheist]

davidsmall;
If 1000 people have the vaccine, then it is possible that 10 could die.
If 10 choose not to have the vaccine, it is possible that 9 could die.
Do you think that that would prove that no vaccine is better than vaccine?

[Untitled]

khandro

there is no proof at all that the moderna vaccine increases the risk of stroke… it is irrelevant that you happened to have one after you were vaccinated.

unless you have an actual reason to believe that the vaccine caused your stroke you should not go around telling people that it did because that may well dissuade vulnerable people from getting vaccinated based on misinformation… it is certainly irresponsible of you to endorse the view that the vaccine is a “toxin” as your beloved link in the op describes it…

[Untitled]

risk factors for suffering strokes according to the nhs…

- being over 55 (the biggest single factor… vulnerability increases the older you get)
- history of smoking
- hypertension and things that increase risk of hypertension (e.g. lack of exercise)
- obesity
- high cholesterol
- diabetes
- excessive drinking (“excessive” is undefined)
- stress

[Togo]

^^ When were the above stats put together? After 2019? Do you think that the Ennaichess would include a factor that was "off message"? If the answer to both these questions is yes, then ignore the question.

[Atheist]

Togo;
"Do you think that the Ennaichess would include a factor that was "off message"?"
What do you think is the message that the NHS want to stay on?
I'd appreciate a simple answer in plain English.

[Togo]

//I'd appreciate a simple answer in plain English.//

It is indeed heartening that you now think that you can understand plain English despite showing no aptitude at all in previous attempts. However, I am just settling down to watch a footie match and the plain English I have in mind for you is liable to contravene Site Rules. ￣︶￣

[New Judge]

//What do you think is the message that the NHS want to stay on?//

I would imagine it is "Get jabbed. You know it makes sense" (or similar).

[Atheist]

Thanks, NJ. I would have thought that Togo could have answered for himself rather than write a longish put-down message. Still, if football calls... I doubt if he'll be back to clarify.

[Khandro]

untitled; //risk factors for suffering strokes according to the nhs…

- being over 55 (the biggest single factor… vulnerability increases the older you get)..... YES over 55
- history of smoking......NO
- hypertension and things that increase risk of hypertension (e.g. lack of exercise).... NO ... GOLF and or CYCLE everyday 365 days per year.
- obesity.... NO ... I am the same weight now as I was 50 years ago
- high cholesterol..... NO... it's regularly monitored
- diabetes..... NO
- excessive drinking (“excessive” is undefined) .... very moderate
- stress, ..... ABSOLUTELY; NO.


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[Zacs-Master]

Then it MUST be the vaccine! What an amazingly incisive scientific conclusion. The immunology world missed a trick not recruiting Khandro,eh!