ChatterBank5 mins ago
What a pompous t1t.
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ummmm...surely you are not suggesting that the main infections are spread from ward to ward....that is nonsense.
A visitor may or may not bring infection into the ward and visitors not moving from bed to bed or ward to ward has nothing to do with it.
if the camera crew should have rolled up their sleeves.......then so must visitors.
A visitor may or may not bring infection into the ward and visitors not moving from bed to bed or ward to ward has nothing to do with it.
if the camera crew should have rolled up their sleeves.......then so must visitors.
I am not and have never been a health professional, but am appalled at the behaviour of this consultant in front of patients. It's hard to believe that Cameron and co. just turned up with a tv crew and visited the ward unannounced.....Surely it would have been coordinated with the hospital administration who should have sought advance agreement with the medical people. If this consultant has an issue he should have taken it up with his employers. Pompous t1t seems an appropriate comment.
I think the surgeon's outburst was motivated less by a need to be self-important, but, as I have suggested earlier - the sight of the embodiment of the problems in the Health Service posing about with a camera crew was probably enough to push his 'tilt' button.
yes Cameron has inherited a dfisasterous Health Service frlom Labour, but his pig-headed insistence on running it as a 'competitive market' as though it's British Gas is acore Tory policy, and still a nonsense as it always was, and has been proven by his abrupt U-turn towards something approaching a normal rationale - that doctors and clinicians make vital care decisions, not suits recruited from business areas.
The NHS is NOT A BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes Cameron has inherited a dfisasterous Health Service frlom Labour, but his pig-headed insistence on running it as a 'competitive market' as though it's British Gas is acore Tory policy, and still a nonsense as it always was, and has been proven by his abrupt U-turn towards something approaching a normal rationale - that doctors and clinicians make vital care decisions, not suits recruited from business areas.
The NHS is NOT A BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With respect.
<<<The NHS is NOT A BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>>
That is nonsense......there is not a bottomless pit of money in which to feed the insatiable NHS....in simple terms...WE CANNOT AFFORD IT in it 's present form and like any successful business or organisation it has to make ends meet which it hasn't been doing for 40 years.
Change is essential and both political ends of the spectrum, know this.
There is one HUGE problem............the british public.
<<<The NHS is NOT A BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>>
That is nonsense......there is not a bottomless pit of money in which to feed the insatiable NHS....in simple terms...WE CANNOT AFFORD IT in it 's present form and like any successful business or organisation it has to make ends meet which it hasn't been doing for 40 years.
Change is essential and both political ends of the spectrum, know this.
There is one HUGE problem............the british public.
Sqad - I think I have failed to make my point clearly.
I am drawing attention to the fundamental difference between a business - British Gas, and a service - the NHS.
I am fully aware that the NHS has to be run efficiently, and to have budgets and to stick to them, and in that sense, bsuiness practises are appropriate.
My argument with the Tory philosophy, is their application of 'market forces' to the Health Service - and it is a service - and such activity is utterly inappropriate and pointless.
If I want to compare the price of a tin of beans between Sainsbury's and Tesco, I can make my choice for the same item at a different price, and the supermarkets' competition for my custom relies on market forces, the ability of one business to provide a standard product at an attractive price. In that sense, the notion of competition benefits me, it encourages one business to out-bid the other in terms of cost and provision.
You cannot apply that concept to the notion of a hospital proceedure.
How am I suposed to have any inkling of which hispital is going to give me the better treatment (the cost issue is utterly irrelavent to me, I am ill, I want treatment a.s.a.p.).
So the idea that doctors and clinicians should 'compete' for 'business' in a health service seems to me to be a world away from the concept of health care - aside from the fact that the poor patient has no idea how to make an informed decision, assuming for one moment that they would ever feel the need or the dsesire to 'shop around'.
As I have said, the NHS is not in the business of competing, it should be focusing on providing a uniformly excellent service for everyone, which is the whole ethos of the NHS - a socialist principle, and should not be hijacked by the idea that competition and market forces are always the best way - a tory principle.
I trust this clears up any misunderstanding.
I am drawing attention to the fundamental difference between a business - British Gas, and a service - the NHS.
I am fully aware that the NHS has to be run efficiently, and to have budgets and to stick to them, and in that sense, bsuiness practises are appropriate.
My argument with the Tory philosophy, is their application of 'market forces' to the Health Service - and it is a service - and such activity is utterly inappropriate and pointless.
If I want to compare the price of a tin of beans between Sainsbury's and Tesco, I can make my choice for the same item at a different price, and the supermarkets' competition for my custom relies on market forces, the ability of one business to provide a standard product at an attractive price. In that sense, the notion of competition benefits me, it encourages one business to out-bid the other in terms of cost and provision.
You cannot apply that concept to the notion of a hospital proceedure.
How am I suposed to have any inkling of which hispital is going to give me the better treatment (the cost issue is utterly irrelavent to me, I am ill, I want treatment a.s.a.p.).
So the idea that doctors and clinicians should 'compete' for 'business' in a health service seems to me to be a world away from the concept of health care - aside from the fact that the poor patient has no idea how to make an informed decision, assuming for one moment that they would ever feel the need or the dsesire to 'shop around'.
As I have said, the NHS is not in the business of competing, it should be focusing on providing a uniformly excellent service for everyone, which is the whole ethos of the NHS - a socialist principle, and should not be hijacked by the idea that competition and market forces are always the best way - a tory principle.
I trust this clears up any misunderstanding.
AH indeed it does..... but......in the NHS isn't a new concept and has been a part of the NHS for 25years or more...........incidentally embraced by the Labour government in the last decade.
Without the intervention of some market forces, the NHS would have collapsed....even under a Labour government.
The Tories/Coalition are no fools, in that they are quite aware that Privatisation of the NHS would send them into the political wilderness for EVER and this neither political persuasion would want.
Without the intervention of some market forces, the NHS would have collapsed....even under a Labour government.
The Tories/Coalition are no fools, in that they are quite aware that Privatisation of the NHS would send them into the political wilderness for EVER and this neither political persuasion would want.
infections can be spread from person to person. It is (in my humble opinion) one of the major causes of Hospital acquired infection. When a ward gets (for example) norovirus then movement between infected and uninfected patients is restricted as much as possible. It makes common sense to me that infection can be spread from ward to ward via people (usually the medical team) moving between wards and not having good hygiene in between patients and wards. I'm surprised you don't believe this sqad, but as usual, i guess we will have to agree to disagree
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