Northern Ireland Marches, should they ban them?

[Bobbisox]

Watching MW this morning and was /am interested in peoples take on this, would banning such marches create even more violence?
Is it not time to forget something that took place over 300 years ago? and try to move forward.

[joko]

people often defend abhorrent actions by stating tradition, cultural identity, history, 'it just the way it is' or 'its always been like that'...

but your rights to exercise those things go out the window if those things cause you commit criminal acts and cause pain and suffering to others...

tradition does not excuse this

[ichkeria]

"people often defend abhorrent actions by stating tradition, cultural identity, history, 'it just the way it is' or 'its always been like that'...

but your rights to exercise those things go out the window if those things cause you commit criminal acts and cause pain and suffering to others...

tradition does not excuse this "

If people commit "abhorrent acts", with whatever self-justification, the law deals with them, in N. Ireland as everywhere else. The majority of people especially these days thankfully, observe their traditions and celebrate their culture peacefully.

[sandyRoe]

Unfortunately, there was a long standing tradition of forcing marches through areas where they weren't wanted. The Orange Order is made up of dinosaurs and it's going to take some time for them to see that things have changed here in NI.

[daisya]

I'm sure you're right sandy, shame when people just won't get on.

[vulcan]

It isn't all forcing marches where they are nor wanted, the Orange order has been marching down the Garvaghy road since 1807 when the area was sparsely occupied. Since then the area has been built up and is now a nationalist area, hardly the fault if the Orange order.

[karenmac60]

Why do we have them in Scotland? They are just an excuse for folk to get drunk and start sectarian football related trouble. My daughter and I were staying in Glasgow the other week and had the misfortune to check out of the hotel just as one went by - they were all drunk at 11am, wearing their Rangers tops and union flags and shouting Sieg Heil over and over again. We couldn't wait to get home - it creates such an uneasy feeling.

[Bobbisox]

Stormont i would imagine Stevie?

[sandyRoe]

There's 'The Tour of the North' which winds its way through contentious areas on North Belfast. The Ormeau Road march, where Orange supporters chanted 5-nil as they passed a betting where five Catholics had been shot dead. Thankfully, that one has been banned.
When the character of an area changes, as in the Garvaghy Road, the Orangemen should accept that it's become a no-go area for them.

[Bobbisox]

too right I didn't, I have answered questions and agreed with a lot of them so I am happy with my/their take on this, where do you want me to go before I come on here? the Library..:-)))))

[sandyRoe]

The Parades Commission has been appointed to deal with some of the marches. The politicians at Stormont didn't want to get their hands dirty.

[Bobbisox]

haha you sound like a Teacher
sorry but I will do it my way, you don't have to take part

[emmie]

Bobbiesox, glad didn't get involved as such, as you can see by all the responses, i feel sorry for all the policemen who have been injured.
According to the news i was listening to earlier, one officer had been set on fire after a petrol bomb had been thrown, no update as to how he is.

[ichkeria]

"Unfortunately, there was a long standing tradition of forcing marches through areas where they weren't wanted. The Orange Order is made up of dinosaurs and it's going to take some time for them to see that things have changed here in NI."

That's a bit unfair sandyRoe. The Orange Order is changing. There are still the dinosaurs, and there's a certian amount of naivete about how they expect themselves to be perceived, but sagas like the Garvaghy Road, Lower Ormeau, The Tunnel etc. forced more sensible elements to realise that they had to improve their image. They realised that they could, in more peaceful times, make a virtue of of the "cultural tradition" element and I think that's a pisitive thing. There are still rogue marches and idiots and hangers on, but the law is there to deal with them.
There are bigots and troublemakers on both sides - all of them dinosaurs.

[daisya]

Ich, will it ever get better where people will stop goading others of a different culture or is it too well embedded in their tradition that it will never ever end?